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Is anyone else having difficulty cutting out hair in PSCC 2017?

 
ptcanon3ti
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Jan 12, 2017 10:28 |  #1

Trying to separate a subject from a crappy background and I can't get good hair selection. I've looked at about 10 youtube "how to" videos and followed along step by step, and my selections are so bad.

The BG bleeds through, or the subject is semi transparent after refining the edge. *smh :oops:


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Jan 12, 2017 10:41 |  #2

I'm no expert at it, but -

1, remember that you don't have to keep every flyaway hair. If you lose some of those, nobody will know except you.

2, there's a new feature that I haven't used yet, called the Select and Mask Taskspace, which might help you get better results.
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Jan 12, 2017 11:08 |  #3

nathancarter wrote in post #18242078 (external link)
I'm no expert at it, but -

1, remember that you don't have to keep every flyaway hair. If you lose some of those, nobody will know except you.

2, there's a new feature that I haven't used yet, called the Select and Mask Taskspace, which might help you get better results.
http://blogs.adobe.com ...pace-in-photoshop-cc.html (external link)


I know what you mean. But I'm really concerned with places where there is a good amount of hair but you can also see through it. That never works well. It's also interesting in the videos showing how to do this type of selection....there is usually a clean BG where you have good contrast with the subject.


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Jan 12, 2017 11:40 |  #4

Have you tried using the original refine edge tool? I find the new "Select and Mask" to be dreadful for selecting hair. Use the original tool by holding down the shift key when you click the Select and Mask tool from the menu.

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Jan 12, 2017 12:34 |  #5

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #18242105 (external link)
I know what you mean. But I'm really concerned with places where there is a good amount of hair but you can also see through it.

Why not clone in hair in those spots? Granted, depends on the spot, but would that work for you?


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Jan 12, 2017 14:37 |  #6

Can you share an image. I've had good luck w/ CC2017 in these areas but I do usually end up using ReMask5 instead or a combination thereof.


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Jan 12, 2017 15:20 |  #7

scobols wrote in post #18242128 (external link)
Have you tried using the original refine edge tool? I find the new "Select and Mask" to be dreadful for selecting hair. Use the original tool by holding down the shift key when you click the Select and Mask tool from the menu.

Scott

I haven't. I'll give it a try. Thanks!


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Jan 12, 2017 15:22 |  #8

D Thompson wrote in post #18242172 (external link)
Why not clone in hair in those spots? Granted, depends on the spot, but would that work for you?

It looks very unnatural when I try that. Its very obvious that something was done.


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Jan 12, 2017 15:23 |  #9

DagoImaging wrote in post #18242307 (external link)
Can you share an image. I've had good luck w/ CC2017 in these areas but I do usually end up using ReMask5 instead or a combination thereof.

Sure. I'll put a couple up when I get to my computer. On a tablet right now. :)


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Jan 13, 2017 11:05 |  #10

Ok...here is a shot that I can not get a clean extraction with.

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Jan 13, 2017 13:33 |  #11

Due you have a raw? an 8 bit jpg is tough as there isn't enough color latitude to do adjustments to change the contrast enough to get a clean separation. It's a tough image regardless since her hair is so close to the background color. First thing I would do is play w/ adjustment layers to create separation and then merge those to a new layer and make the selection on that and then a mask on the original.

But again, on the jpg it's not going to look good.


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Jan 13, 2017 13:37 |  #12

DagoImaging wrote in post #18243374 (external link)
Due you have a raw? an 8 bit jpg is tough as there isn't enough color latitude to do adjustments to change the contrast enough to get a clean separation. It's a tough image regardless since her hair is so close to the background color. First thing I would do is play w/ adjustment layers to create separation and then merge those to a new layer and make the selection on that and then a mask on the original.

But again, on the jpg it's not going to look good.

You are correct...it doesn't look good. :D

I thought most people when they do BG separations work with Jpgs. The problem I find is that most tutorials show how to do it in nice controlled situations...Good contrast with the BG...good color separation from the BG etc. Real world shots are a whole different ballgame I'm thinking.


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Jan 13, 2017 14:18 |  #13

I never do composite work w/ a jpg. Only final output is a jpg.


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Jan 13, 2017 14:22 |  #14

DagoImaging wrote in post #18243407 (external link)
I never do composite work w/ a jpg. Only final output is a jpg.


Then you are way above my pay grade. :lol:


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Jan 13, 2017 15:07 |  #15

Hi ptcanon3ti, what is your end intention with this? What background do you intend to replace it with?


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