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Jan 31, 2017 18:54 |  #1

My daughter (who is living in Germany at the moment) has told me she wishes to get into photography. I own a 7D and use it for wildlife photography but her interests lay in landscape, food and architectural photography. I dont think the 7D would be the best camera for her, any suggestions on what would be a good camera for her.




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Jan 31, 2017 19:00 |  #2

For landscape and architectural photography she's going to be carrying it a lot, so how does she feel about the weight of the 7D?


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Feb 01, 2017 06:51 |  #3

PhotosGuy wrote in post #18260972 (external link)
For landscape and architectural photography she's going to be carrying it a lot, so how does she feel about the weight of the 7D?

Actually I am advising against the 7D and wanted to know what other model to get for her interests. Weight should be light but photo quality high?




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Feb 01, 2017 07:02 |  #4

cdiver2 wrote in post #18261334 (external link)
Actually I am advising against the 7D and wanted to know what other model to get for her interests. Weight should be light but photo quality high?

A 80D with a 18-135 STM lens would be a good start. She might need a wider lens for interiors so the 10-22 would be a good choice. I had one when I was using a crop camera and liked it (they are often available used here: not sure about Germany). The new 10-18 STM is a less expensive option.

You didn't mention a budget but as time goes one, she might like to add a 100L macro lens for food.


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Feb 01, 2017 07:31 |  #5

I second Kim's suggestion for the 80D. You can save some money by going with an older (60D, 70D) body, but the 80D is a significant upgrade, and worth the money if you (she?) can afford it. I'd pass on the 18-135 lens (any of them), though. Canon is currently kitting the 80D with the 18-55 STM (get this), and the 18-135 nano-USM (don't get this). The 18-55 is optically very good. The 18-135 nano-USM is slower focusing than the ring USM of better glass, and noisier than STM if you do video. Nano-USM is truly a technological answer to a question nobody was asking (When is Canon going to release a lens that focuses slower than USM, and is noisier than STM?).

Use the difference (18-55 vs 18-135) to pay for the 10-22. It is, IMHO, better glass than the 10-18 (I've had both). It is also faster, and covers a more useful zoom range.

This still leaves you (her?) without a long(er) lens. Consider the 55-250 STM. Optically, it is quite good, even if the focus is a bit slow. You can get better if you want to spend more. Any of the 70-200s (suggesting f/4L IS) is far and away better glass, and priced accordingly.

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I'd also suggest the ef-s 60mm macro lens before the 100L for macro on a crop camera. At 100mm on an aps-c body, she won't get a plate of food in the frame while sitting at the table. The next table over, maybe. The 60 may even be overkill. You can do nice close-up work with a close-focusing lens like the 28 1.8, or 35 f/2 (either of them).


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Feb 01, 2017 08:13 |  #6

I'm not giving advice being the rank newbie that I am, but do have a question/remark...

With the interest in landscape and architectural photography, though the price would be higher, wouldn't a full-frame camera work better with wide-angle lenses?

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Feb 01, 2017 09:31 as a reply to Intheswamp's post |  #7

A 10-22 on a crop will give a wider field of view at the wide end as a 18-xxx on a FF.


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With the way that shorter WA lenses diminish the background, I'm feeling that for some landscapes a panorama series with a longer lens is the way to go. Anyone else?
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Feb 01, 2017 10:08 |  #9

cdiver2 wrote in post #18261334 (external link)
Actually I am advising against the 7D and wanted to know what other model to get for her interests. Weight should be light but photo quality high?

Is Canon a requirement? There are many options that are well suited for landscape/architecture​/food outside the Canon family. The Sony Alpha a7R II is an outstanding camera being small, light, extremely high quality IQ and well suited for things that stay still. The Nikon D750 also is ideal for your stated purpose and much cheaper. In Canon land, the 6D and the 5DS are probably the best choices.


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Feb 01, 2017 10:15 |  #10

Scrumhalf wrote in post #18261452 (external link)
A 10-22 on a crop will give a wider field of view at the wide end as a 18-xxx on a FF.

But the same as the 16-35 or 16-40. In addition you have quite a few other wider options. I'm with intheswamp, a FF is well suited to the OPs stated subjects.


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Feb 01, 2017 10:17 |  #11

cdiver2 wrote in post #18260964 (external link)
. . . . . her interests lay in landscape, food and architectural photography.

With those interests, I would be looking for lenses first.......what I mean by that is that I would look for the system that has the best lenses, particularly tilt/shift lenses, and then I would buy a full frame body from that system.

The full frame Sony mirrorless body is excellent, but I don't know how great it works with tilt/shift lenses, because of the need to use an adaptor. Do you lose a little something when using an adaptor with a tilt/shift lens? Maybe someone with first-hand knowledge of this combination could offer some insight.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18261501 (external link)
With those interests, I would be looking for lenses first.......what I mean by that is that I would look for the system that has the best lenses, particularly tilt/shift lenses, and then I would buy a full frame body from that system.

The full frame Sony mirrorless body is excellent, but I don't know how great it works with tilt/shift lenses, because of the need to use an adaptor. Do you lose a little something when using an adaptor with a tilt/shift lens? Maybe someone with first-hand knowledge of this combination could offer some insight.

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The adapters are like tubes, no optics inside, just air so no change in IQ.


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Feb 01, 2017 10:24 |  #13

Well, for what she has stated as primary photographic goals, medium format will provide much better results than 35mm full frame. She can get the Pentax 645Z, 45mm f/2.8, or 35mm f/3.5 for just under $9,000.

Perhaps we need a working budget in order to make useful suggestions.


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Feb 01, 2017 15:58 as a reply to Bassat's post |  #14

$9000 is out of the question, she is not going to be earning a living with it it is a hobby. I would say no more than $1000




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Feb 01, 2017 16:17 |  #15

This kit can also be had at local big box stores, Target etc,..
T6i with 18-135mm STM.

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