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Anyone else thinking about the new Sigma 24-70 OS Art

 
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Feb 22, 2017 12:01 |  #1

Man I hope its a home run. The Sigma 24-105 F/4 is as good as Canons 24-105L. But I had the L so no need to make a change.

But a 24-70 F/2.8 with OS....man if its close or on par Canon and Nikon are not going to sell many

wondering where its gonna come in ?

This could be a very interesting art for the market


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Feb 22, 2017 12:08 |  #2

It would have to come in at a price under $1300, have the same detail rendering as the MKII, and have AF just as reliable and fast as the Canon's... That might be a hard shoe to fill. The 24-105L was easy to improve upon, it is an old lens, and is a kit lens with an L moniker, and so inexpensive other lenses, including EFS, were more expensive and render more detail.

In this case, the 24-70 II won't be so easy to dethrone, IMO. It will be interesting. The Tamron offering was pretty close but missed out on AF, and was just slightly behind the IQ of the MKII.

http://www.lightandmat​ter.org ...-vs-tamron-24-70-f2-8-vc/ (external link)

Basically, Sigma is a bit late to the party with this particular lens. The 135 1.8 is interesting to me though, a good alternative to the 135L would be interesting, and an AF capable one over the Samyang is a welcome addition. If it competes with the IQ of the Samyang, I will sell that and get the Sigma offering.


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Feb 22, 2017 12:12 |  #3

I thought the Tamron was horrible with IQ....100% and you could see the obvious differences in quality of the file it produced. The Canon 24-70 is killer and lighting fast with AF. Im going to give the Sigma a real close look when it comes out


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Feb 22, 2017 14:44 as a reply to umphotography's post |  #4

Most likely copy variation, because that doesn't seem to match general consensus and various tests performed between these 2 lenses. Most of what I have read was that the Tamron was very close to the IQ, but AF was lacking when compared to USM speeds.

I think Talley even did his own comparison here on POTN. I could be wrong though, perhaps it was not Tamron? I cannot think of any other 24-70 OS/VC/IS lens out there though. Maybe it was the 70-200 then? All these 3rd party "equivalents" are getting confusing. :(


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Feb 22, 2017 16:00 |  #5

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18281852 (external link)
Most likely copy variation, because that doesn't seem to match general consensus and various tests performed between these 2 lenses. Most of what I have read was that the Tamron was very close to the IQ, but AF was lacking when compared to USM speeds.

I think Talley even did his own comparison here on POTN. I could be wrong though, perhaps it was not Tamron? I cannot think of any other 24-70 OS/VC/IS lens out there though. Maybe it was the 70-200 then? All these 3rd party "equivalents" are getting confusing. :(

I'm pretty sure he was a big fan of his Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC. Of course, now he's pissed at Tamron. :-P


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Feb 22, 2017 16:09 |  #6

Think a lot of folks are holding out to see what MSPR's look like


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Feb 22, 2017 16:33 |  #7

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18281852 (external link)
Most likely copy variation, because that doesn't seem to match general consensus and various tests performed between these 2 lenses. Most of what I have read was that the Tamron was very close to the IQ, but AF was lacking when compared to USM speeds.

I think Talley even did his own comparison here on POTN. I could be wrong though, perhaps it was not Tamron? I cannot think of any other 24-70 OS/VC/IS lens out there though. Maybe it was the 70-200 then? All these 3rd party "equivalents" are getting confusing. :(


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I went to the store in Minneapolis and myself and the owner could not believe our eyes. We opened all 6 boxes with same results. I wouldnt touch it with a 1o ft pole...all that talk that it was sharper than the 24-70V1 was BS-----all 6 of them could not touch my V1 and I wasnt real crazy with my copy. It was sharp but Nothing like the v2

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Feb 25, 2017 12:18 |  #8

It'll be a good lens and probably close to the Canon but it won't match it.

Whilst some of the Sigma ART series have bested their Canon equivalents, this has only happened where the Canon is a very old design. Sigma have yet to match, let alone beat, any recently-designed and released Canon equivalent.

Of course, on a bang-for-buck scale, it's a totally different matter, as if it offers 90% of the IQ and stabilisation for significantly less than the Canon then it could be a bargain but, in outright image quality, it won't quite get there I don't think.
You also have the perennial AF issue where it'll never be quite as good as a Canon lens simply because they have to reverse engineer the protocols.

It'll be interesting to see how good it is, as the 24-70 II is one of Canon's best lenses.


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Feb 25, 2017 18:31 |  #9

Waiting to see the price but I'm hoping to get my hands on this lens as an upgrade to my 18-135 STM. Should make a good walk around lens for when I don't need the speed of my 50-100mm Art.

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Feb 25, 2017 19:35 |  #10

umphotography wrote in post #18281647 (external link)
Man I hope its a home run. The Sigma 24-105 F/4 is as good as Canons 24-105L. But I had the L so no need to make a change.

But a 24-70 F/2.8 with OS....man if its close or on par Canon and Nikon are not going to sell many

wondering where its gonna come in ?

This could be a very interesting art for the market


I am very, very seriously considering this lens.

My copy of the Sigma 24-105 F4, on both my 5DSRs, was every bit as sharp as my Canon 24-70 2.8 II (especially in the central 2/3rds of the frame which is what I care about for weddings) - and the OS is fantastic on the Sigma 24-105 F4. If this new Sigma is as good as the Canon in the middle 80% of the lens (I think it will be slightly better), and is now OS and weather sealed, it will fly off the shelves. I would also note that the new Sigma 135 1.8 is weather sealed (unlike the new Sigma 85 1.4) so while I won't be buying it because of the lack of IS, I think that lens will be killer on a 1DXii for portraits (only 20 megapixels) and at 1 1/3rd stops faster could very well substitute for the 70-200 F2.8 IS at weddings because I find 135 as the most common FL I shoot at with the 70-200.

In terms of pricing, I think Sigma may price it $100-$200 higher than you think because if it is as good as I think it will be, Canon and Nikon are in lots of trouble, especially Nikon, because their new IS version is ridiculously priced.

Knowing what I have read about your previous posts, I think this lens has your name written all over it.


And a comment about the Tamron 24-70 with IS for those who have mentioned it. It is an ok lens but it suffers massive, massive focus creep. The 70mm FL is basically only 45mm as you approach minimum focus distance at 70mm - so while many may not notice this, it is a deal killer for me. This is the one issue that I want to know about the new Sigma because I suspect it will check all the other boxes. The reason I suspect the Sigma may have focus creep is that their new 85 isn't really an 85 at MFD so I think Sigma engineering, at this moment, is able to give you sharp but is trading off focus creep.


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Feb 25, 2017 19:55 |  #11

I'm saving up for my next lens now..... I'm still deciding what will get the most use and the Canon 24-70 ll is high on the list. I'll watch the 24-70 OS Art with much interest.


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Feb 25, 2017 22:46 |  #12

I'm keeping an eye open for the OS art... I wanted a general 2.8 zoom w/ OS but canon doesn't make one so I rebought the 24-105 to have a general zoom video lens. I'm not happy with the 24-105 with the IQ of the lens it leaves alot to be desired for my taste.

I was happy with the 24-70VC and my two lenses had great center sharpness comparable to the MK2 but the corners were softer and while the AF was slower I found it to be silent and accurate which was key for me. I never did a comparison w/ the mk2... I only owned the mK2 for about a month and decided to sell it in favor for the VC of the tamron. It wasn't enough difference at the time to justify the extra expense.

I'll definately be keeping an eye on this OS art lens though... very curious to all it's specs... weight... MTFs... I have little doubt of the AF performance I think it'll be fine, I've had pretty good success with my sigmas. I'm not happy it's missing the seal at the mount and I'm not happy with the 50mm MTF posting... to me this seems like the best performance area and so they won't post 24 or 70 charts. I compare the sigmas and get a good idea how they perform.... this one will be close to the mk2 at least from my guess.


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Feb 25, 2017 22:47 |  #13

LonelyBoy wrote in post #18281946 (external link)
I'm pretty sure he was a big fan of his Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC. Of course, now he's pissed at Tamron. :-P

Just upset w/ their business model support but understand the basis.


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Feb 26, 2017 05:29 |  #14

Talley wrote in post #18285183 (external link)
Just upset w/ their business model support but understand the basis.

Potayto, potahto. Either way, point is you were happy with the 24-70/2.8 VC on its performance, right?


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Feb 28, 2017 21:39 |  #15

Anyone know release date and/or price?


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