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Mar 20, 2017 10:52 |  #1

Need a camera for taking pics of my son (now 2 years old and starting to run around a lot) and family/friends. First camera I owned was a T2i and then moved on to a 5D Classic and fell in trap of the image quality out of FF  :p. Then gave that away to a friend and got a 5D II. I have lost 5D II to a personal emergency. And now that it is behind me, I have some cash to invest on a camera. My lenses (which I kept) are 50 MM STM and 85 MM f1.8. My budget is in and around 600$ (used cameras) for the camera.

My primary goal is to get highest possible image quality within my budget. I am not sure if the focusing system of my 5D/5DII would be good enough for fast moving kids. I did my research and narrowed it down to 5DII, 7D, 70D and 1D Mark III.

I would need someone knowledgeable enough to give me some solid advise on what I should be buying for this. I can even sell my lenses to go for a different lens camera combo.

Any possible help is appreciated.


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Mar 20, 2017 20:12 |  #2

Sounds like you need the advice of a wildlife photographer =P




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Mar 20, 2017 20:16 |  #3

DesolateMirror wrote in post #18306402 (external link)
Sounds like you need the advice of a wildlife photographer =P

Is there a difference??????


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Mar 20, 2017 20:24 |  #4

Heya,

Get another 5D classic. The focus system is fine for tracking a kid with the center point. The 5D2 has the same AF system as the 5Dclassic, it's not even better. So if you want to do full frame, that's the cost-effective way to go.

Now, if you want awesome AF with robust aggression, full frame and good resolution, start shopping for a 1Ds Mark II. It's a beast of a camera, awesome quality, full frame, and has really awesome AF.

I still use the 5D classic, I have no issues tracking kids, birds, etc. But if you feel you need serious AF abilities, again, take a look at the 1Ds II, amazing camera, right at your budget point ($600ish).

Otherwise, a 70D is in your budget as a refurb/used, and would be excellent. I would sell the 85mm if you went to APS-C, and keep the 50mm, and instead, look for a 24~28~35mm range lens for every day or even just a simple 17-50 zoom.

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Mar 21, 2017 10:17 as a reply to MalVeauX's post |  #5

Thanks @Malveaux.

I guess I am too much in love with 5Dc and want to go that route. Just wanted the nudge and you may have given that to me :-).

Just one question. Do you know how to get a wireless trigger to work on 5Dc? That is the only thing that is stopping me from getting 5Dc. I want to be part of my family picture  :p.

Any help on wireless trigger soon is appreciated. Am about to bid on a 5Dc I found on ebay within hours.


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Mar 21, 2017 12:17 |  #6

harihacker wrote in post #18306861 (external link)
Thanks @Malveaux.

I guess I am too much in love with 5Dc and want to go that route. Just wanted the nudge and you may have given that to me :-).

Just one question. Do you know how to get a wireless trigger to work on 5Dc? That is the only thing that is stopping me from getting 5Dc. I want to be part of my family picture  :p.

Any help on wireless trigger soon is appreciated. Am about to bid on a 5Dc I found on ebay within hours.

I use a wireless trigger with my 5Dc no problem. I use a generic Pixel one off Amazon. I take photos of myself with my wife & daughter all the time. You just need the right adapter to plug into the 5Dc which can be picked up too (its the prongs, not a 3.5mm trs). Works flawless. And it also works with my lighting equipment no problem.

Here's the one I use, it comes with the correct cables, works great:

https://www.amazon.com ...ds=pixel+wireless+t​rigger (external link)

Note, when using a wireless trigger, you have to turn off back button AF and use the normal "0" setting for focus in custom functions. Use "one shot" drive in AF (not AI servo). Save you a headache of why things aren't working. Works great with my YN622/603/etc transceivers too. Everything works great.

Here's my 3 year old tripping my 5Dc to make an image of us being silly. The exact one linked above. She wanted to "take the picture."

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/GzbN​qN] (external link)IMG_3383 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

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Mar 21, 2017 13:46 |  #7

@Malveaux.. Awesome.

Now let me try and get my 5Dc. From your Flikr page, I did see that YN560III works for 5D. Is that correct?


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Mar 21, 2017 13:55 |  #8

harihacker wrote in post #18307050 (external link)
@Malveaux.. Awesome.

Now let me try and get my 5Dc. From your Flikr page, I did see that YN560III works for 5D. Is that correct?

Heya,

The YN560 series work flawless with the 5Dc (including III and IV). I use a fleet of them for my manual portable strobing and control them all from the TX-560 on the 5Dc.

The YN685 works perfectly with ETTL & HSS on the 5Dc too, recognizes it and functions just like a Canon unit would (the 565EX II did not however which is why I replaced it with the 685). Awesome flash. It's my on-camera ETTL/HSS flash for when I'm outside with the 5Dc.

I shot this with the 5Dc, Tamron 90mm F2.8 VC lens (third party works fine on 5Dc!) and Yongnuo 685 (with some 1/4th CTO gel taped on). I had the 5Dc set to AV mode and set my YN685 to ETTL/HSS. I controlled aperture & ISO. It functions perfectly and nails exopsure based on the FEC I dial in that I want (no filters, this is nearly what it was out of camera), I love blending flash and natural light, I use ETTL/HSS to do suble fill with situations like this with strongly backlit scenes:

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/RiLm​np] (external link)IMG_5207 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

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Mar 21, 2017 15:03 |  #9

@Malveaux..Thanks again.

Most of that technical stuff regarding flash went over my head. But my understanding is that YN560III and 685 will both work fine. Only question I have is will both work in full auto mode and will the camera detect the same?

By the way, I am still in the hunt for a good clean 5Dc. :-)

Thanks for all the awesome advise. Hopefully whoever reads this thread will also benefit from the same.


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Mar 21, 2017 16:43 |  #10

harihacker wrote in post #18307106 (external link)
@Malveaux..Thanks again.

Most of that technical stuff regarding flash went over my head. But my understanding is that YN560III and 685 will both work fine. Only question I have is will both work in full auto mode and will the camera detect the same?

By the way, I am still in the hunt for a good clean 5Dc. :-)

Thanks for all the awesome advise. Hopefully whoever reads this thread will also benefit from the same.

Yes, both will work with the 5Dc without any special anything, just like a Canon would. The 560III is a manual flash, nothing automatic to it, it just is a good powerful manual flash with a built in wifi receiver for off-camera strobing on the cheap. Excellent for that. But if you want something automatic for exposure (ETTL) and can do it at faster than 1/200s shutter speeds (HSS), then the YN685 is the one to get. Only get the 560 series if you want manual flashes and full control for off-camera use via wireless receiver.

You can post a wanted ad on this forum in the classifieds. There's always a 5Dc floating around.

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Mar 21, 2017 17:19 |  #11

MalVeauX wrote in post #18307225 (external link)
Yes, both will work with the 5Dc without any special anything, just like a Canon would. The 560III is a manual flash, nothing automatic to it, it just is a good powerful manual flash with a built in wifi receiver for off-camera strobing on the cheap. Excellent for that. But if you want something automatic for exposure (ETTL) and can do it at faster than 1/200s shutter speeds (HSS), then the YN685 is the one to get. Only get the 560 series if you want manual flashes and full control for off-camera use via wireless receiver.

You can post a wanted ad on this forum in the classifieds. There's always a 5Dc floating around.

Very best,

That's not 100% correct, I believe. YN568EXII will give full ETTL as long as its coupled with a YN622C trigger and will also do high speed sync at up to 1/8000 (from memory). The difference with the YN685 is that it is wireless enabled and you will not need the separate trigger unit. Otherwise, I don't think there is anything to choose between them. Both arrangements (YN568 triggered and YN685 bareback) can be driven by the YN622C-TX controller.

There is a whole lot of disinformation around about the Yonuogo system. I think it is partly down to the fact that Yonuogo's documentation is truly feeble.


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Mar 21, 2017 17:36 |  #12

DaviSto wrote in post #18307255 (external link)
That's not 100% correct, I believe. YN568EXII will give full ETTL as long as its coupled with a YN622C trigger and will also do high speed sync at up to 1/8000 (from memory). The difference with the YN685 is that it is wireless enabled and you will not need the separate trigger unit. Otherwise, I don't think there is anything to choose between them. Both arrangements (YN568 triggered and YN685 bareback) can be driven by the YN622C-TX controller.

There is a whole lot of disinformation around about the Yonuogo system. I think it is partly down to the fact that Yonuogo's documentation is truly feeble.

What's not correct?

The YN685 works on-camera without anything else, out of the box, with accurate working ETTL and HSS at the same time (and works off camera with the YN622/TX622) with the 5Dc. The 565EXII series I mentioned before cannot on the 5Dc (ETTL specifically doesn't work correctly). I never mentioned the 568. The 685 completely replaces the 568 since it has an internal radio receiver.

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Mar 21, 2017 20:54 |  #13

Found one in quite good condition with 45k shutter count on it. Asking 360$ and thinking of getting it. Hopefully it will work out.


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Mar 22, 2017 09:51 |  #14

The camera I found is having some dust in the focusing screen as per the seller. It is not on the sensor and wont show up on images. Is this something I should be worried about? Can i clean this out myself?

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Mar 22, 2017 12:25 |  #15

harihacker wrote in post #18307880 (external link)
The camera I found is having some dust in the focusing screen as per the seller. It is not on the sensor and wont show up on images. Is this something I should be worried about? Can i clean this out myself?

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Heya,

Dust is inevitable. If its only on the focus screen, it doesn't matter. You can change out the focus screen, and yes you can clean it no problem. The sensor is another story. Big dust on a sensor is not good, but can also be cleaned. It's just harder to clean a sensor yourself without experience and get a good result. But cleaning a view finder is a rokkit blower away from being easy as pie. On that note, I have a few focus screens for my 5Dc's. I like to have one setup with a supre precision matte for accurate manual focus, and the other with the standard for slower lenses and stopping down. But focus screens are interchangeable, and you can take them out no problem and clean them. They're just a window basically. Nothing to worry about.

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