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ptcanon3ti
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Feb 19, 2017 09:59 |  #6646

If you can do manual flash shooting, NOW is the time to get a FP360....$299

https://www.adorama.co​m/fplfsl360k1.html?Ema​ilPrice=T (external link)

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Feb 19, 2017 11:17 |  #6647

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #18278332 (external link)
If you can do manual flash shooting, NOW is the time to get a FP360....$299

https://www.adorama.co​m/fplfsl360k1.html?Ema​ilPrice=T (external link)

:eek:

I can afford to wait until next Black Friday deal when I can get the TTL version for just $50 more and the Manual version for about $50 less. This is still a good deal for those who can't wait that long.



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Feb 19, 2017 13:17 |  #6648

What does this mean from Adorama? That transmitter are they talking about

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Feb 19, 2017 19:18 |  #6649

It's the flash point version of the "Cells II" which can do HSS using the 433Mhz wireless receivers included with the manual FP360.

https://www.adorama.co​m/fprrr1trc.html (external link)

The standard trigger that comes with them free can not do HSS.

If you do not plan on upgrading to the 2.4Ghz system, it's a nice tool. You can use Cells II to trigger camera shutters as well.

If you do want to incorporate into the 2.4Ghz, instead you buy a transmitter (X1, XT32, or XT-16 note XT-16 can not do HSS) AND the 2.4Ghz usb dongles for the FP360.


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Feb 19, 2017 20:28 |  #6650

Only seen it cheaper than this once, $279.95 :O

Bought mine at $310.

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Feb 19, 2017 20:56 |  #6651

For $30 more its also really worth considering the AD200 at this stage.


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Feb 20, 2017 06:00 |  #6652

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18278787 (external link)
It's the flash point version of the "Cells II" which can do HSS using the 433Mhz wireless receivers included with the manual FP360.

https://www.adorama.co​m/fprrr1trc.html (external link)

The standard trigger that comes with them free can not do HSS.

If you do not plan on upgrading to the 2.4Ghz system, it's a nice tool. You can use Cells II to trigger camera shutters as well.

If you do want to incorporate into the 2.4Ghz, instead you buy a transmitter (X1, XT32, or XT-16 note XT-16 can not do HSS) AND the 2.4Ghz usb dongles for the FP360.

Thanks Jake :)


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Feb 20, 2017 06:01 |  #6653

elv wrote in post #18278860 (external link)
For $30 more its also really worth considering the AD200 at this stage.

The AD200 really looks sweet.. Nice and portable...


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Mar 20, 2017 14:33 |  #6654

Was today on the fair were also Godox products were present. The price for the AD360 was pleasantly and in line with the price I find normal. The price was reduced by 250 euros....sadly they are a year to late with it and would have get me two for that price. :rolleyes:

Also handled the AD200 and it seems to be a nice product but my old two AD360 helps the AD600 I also have.

It is all happening again and you have to put down 500 euros for a AD200. Godox has went totally bonkers...again....mad raving bonkers!!!


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Mar 20, 2017 15:55 |  #6655

mmmfotografie wrote in post #18306119 (external link)
Was today on the fair were also Godox products were present. The price for the AD360 was pleasantly and in line with the price I find normal. The price was reduced by 250 euros....sadly they are a year to late with it and would have get me two for that price. :rolleyes:

Also handled the AD200 and it seems to be a nice product but my old two AD360 helps the AD600 I also have.

It is all happening again and you have to put down 500 euros for a AD200. Godox has went totally bonkers...again....mad raving bonkers!!!

500 E?? Wow. I know that there is usually a premium in the EU because of warranty and some other things but that's way out of line with US pricing.

It could probably be purchased in the US and sent over via USPS for a lot less than that.


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Mar 20, 2017 19:49 |  #6656

dmward wrote in post #18306185 (external link)
500 E?? Wow. I know that there is usually a premium in the EU because of warranty and some other things but that's way out of line with US pricing (1).

It could probably be purchased in the US and sent over via USPS for a lot less than that. (2)

(1) T'was ever thus, David. Back in the 1960s when £1 bought US$4 (for younger readers - yes, really 4 US dollars to the £) most items simply substituted the £ sign for the $ sign and kept the numbers the same. An example - Ilford photo paper (made in UK and exported to US) was the same numerical price in UK and US. IOW, we paid 4 times as much as you did for a home-grown product. Truly weird.

(2) It's a lovely idea but it doesn't work in practice. What happens is that we pay the US price plus shipping (not cheap but grudgingly justified) plus frequently non-optional insurance (it appears that USPS International carries a non-optional insurance cost). Our beloved (???) Government apply import duty - to the product price, to the shipping cost and to the insurance cost. On top of that, they apply VAT (aka sales tax - a much more honest description as this tax certainly doesn't add value for the end user). They apply this tax to:-

  • product cost (fair enough - we all have to pay taxes, much though it hurts/irks)
  • shipping cost
  • non-optional insurance cost
  • import duty. Yes, they really do apply a 20% tax to the import duty - a tax on a tax.
  • We are then charged a non-optional "admin fee" for them to collect these two taxes. Taxes we didn't want to pay in the first place but we still have to pay to have them collected :rolleyes:
  • But they haven't finished yet. There's VAT to pay on the admin fee too.
  • All the above can, and often are, also applied to gifts so you can be hit with a double tax bill for something you didn't know was being sent, whose value you don't even know and you maybe didn't even particularly want.
End result? Something which appears reasonably priced in the US suddenly becomes outrageously priced over here. BTW, guess what happens to the goods if we are unfortunate enough to require warranty repair. I'll give you a clue ....... start reading at (2) above. You couldn't even make it up; too far-fetched for belief.

Of course, we could always try smuggling but ...............:twisted:

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Mar 20, 2017 21:53 |  #6657

Whortleberry wrote in post #18306378 (external link)
Of course, we could always try smuggling but ...............:twisted:

I get that we'd all rather be out taking pictures but... what's stopping some enterprising Brit from being the UK equivalent of Cheetah? Importing, rebranding and sellings goods manufactured in China subjected to the same problematic duties/insurance/taxes​? Has anyone compared the figures of doing so against other options?

And since I'm asking... if the internet seems (to me) to be dominated by reverence for Alien Bees for years, and suddenly they're being replaced by Godox/Flashpoint, neither of which seem readily available and supported in the UK... what've y'all been shooting with all this time? :D :/


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dmward
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Mar 20, 2017 22:47 |  #6658

Whortleberry wrote in post #18306378 (external link)
Of course, we could always try smuggling but ...............:twisted:

Phil,
I was the European product manager for a US telecommunications company in the early 2000's.
I had to work with our European companies to import hardware and software from the US, Japan and China.
All I can say is the EU has managed to get things seriously messed up from a regulatory, tariff, and tax perspective when importing products. Especially if there is a company in the EU manufacturing a competitive product.

Asside from the bureaucracy you can probably thank Hensel and Elinchrom as well.
As for the Cheetah Stand model. Even if there were someone wanting to get into the business. The hoops they would have to jump through, along with the fees, add-on costs, etc. would probably bring the price up to about the same level. I know it did for our products. We tried it.


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Mar 21, 2017 03:25 |  #6659

The price will drop after a year to more competitive prices so waiting a year does not change duties and taxes so profit maximising is more probably.

I am not stupid and content what I already have and keep using those.


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Mar 21, 2017 09:27 |  #6660

A UK company, Lencarta, used to rebrand Godox products (still sells the older technology, eg., 360 and 180 original). It was still quite expensive though and they do not seem to be moving to the 600 model. However, I did purchase some tx/rx (X1) from Amazon in the UK and they were not too expensive. Most of the Godox line seems to be available from Amazon but I have no idea if there are any warranties accompanying them.

I've also fallen foul of the tax people when receiving shipments from the US. Never again - it's just not worth it :-(


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