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1DIV vs 5DIII

 
Lbmfo
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Feb 25, 2017 16:50 |  #1

Shooting mostly sports and some portraits. Currently have a set of 7Ds but looking to upgrade. What are your opinions?




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Feb 25, 2017 17:17 |  #2

If you need the 1DIV for AF & crop factor, consider the 80D. The 80D has a faster frame-rate than the 5D3. If you need full-frame goodness, I am sure the 5D3 is better all-'rounder than the 80D, though I've never used a 5D3.


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Feb 25, 2017 18:14 |  #3

1DIV over the 5DIII, but I'd take a 5DIV over either. Are you running the MkI or MkII 7D?


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Feb 25, 2017 19:13 |  #4

Looking at replacing one of my 7dmIs with one of the above. If I go 1div, I will keep the second 7d for a backup. If I go 5diii I'll probably upgrade the other 7d to the mark II.




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Feb 25, 2017 19:15 |  #5

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Feb 25, 2017 22:29 |  #6

Lbmfo wrote in post #18285053 (external link)
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If the 7D works but you're just looking for more flexibility, etc, I'd really recommend that you take a look at 7DII first. Having come from the 7DI, myself, the II is really what the first camera *should* have been to begin with. I always wanted a 1D!V as an upgrade when I had the MkI, myself; but, now that I've been using the MKII for a while, I don't find that desire any longer. The only thing that seems like an actual upgrade from here is a 5DIV or 1DX, especially given the age of both bodies (7DII/1DIV). The AF system in the MkII is a huge step up from the MkI.


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (7D MkII, Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS)
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Feb 25, 2017 22:38 |  #7

My path was 60D, 70D, 7D2, 1D IV.... and I like my 1D IV a lot.

The colors are something else. I'm sure the 1DX Mark ll is better..... and the Mark 1 too, probably. But I can't afford either at the moment.

So even though the 1D IV is old, it's still a very nice camera and works well for my applications (mostly birding).


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Mar 20, 2017 11:06 |  #8

Go 7D Mark II or 5D III. Stay away from the 1D Mark IV and don't believe the hype. My hit rate was much higher on the 7D II versus 1D IV. Also keep in mind used 1D IV prices are insane and you can get a 7D Mark II brand new for less.


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Mar 22, 2017 22:51 |  #9

For sports you will be disappointed going from a 7D to a 5D3. For portraits you will love it.

IMHO, the 7D2 is a compromise between the 2. I know many like the advanced menu system for focusing on the 7D2 but the IQ is not nearly is good as the 5D3. I personally feel the 7D2 is not as good as the 1D4 but many will not agree.

Check youtube you will find a couple of good videos that go through comparing the 1D4 to the 7D2. At very close to the same price now it's a valid comparison. The last 5D3 I bought was still quite a bit more.

I don't own a 7D2. I got one from CPS to try out but decided to stick with a 1D4 for my personal camera.


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adamo99
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Mar 23, 2017 14:22 |  #10

Shooting mostly sports? 1DIV. Every day.




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Mar 23, 2017 15:25 |  #11

Most definitely 1DIV over the 7d2 and 5dIII for sports.


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Mar 23, 2017 21:55 |  #12

The 7D2 is better at high ISO than the 1D4, and its AF is just as good during sporting events. I have shot 1D3, 1D4, 5D3, 5D4, and 7D2 for NBA sports and high school events over the past nearly 1 decade.

Contrary to those that say the 5D3 cannot do sports, the 5D3 actually does very well for sports from softball, volleyball, football, and indoor basketball. The only issue is with resolution, once you crop anything out, you have a bit less than the 1D4.

The 5D4 currently, outside the 1DX series, is the best camera for sports. It has more than enough resolution to crop out 1.3 AOV and still have more resolution than the 1D4, its AF is outstanding, its high ISO is outstanding, and its feature set is very nice. The 5D4 renders the 1D4 moot, IMO. It also focuses much better in low light than the 1D4, something that wasn't a strength of the 1D4.

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Mar 23, 2017 22:21 |  #13

I agree with everything you say about the 5d4. But it is twice the cost of the two cameras we are comparing.

Last 5d3 I bought was from a person here and I paid 1800. The last 1d4 was 1200. A NEW 7d2 is just under 1200. So 1d4/7d2/5d3 are all relatively in the same price bracket. So when the decision is based on wallet capacity the decision is a bit more limited.

Owning both the 5d3 and 1d4 I will put the win/loss as follows: (someone else can take on the 7d2 advocate role)

IQ: 5d3
ISO: 5d3
FPS: 1D4
Weight: 5d3
battery life: 1d4
focus speed: 1d4
Tech: 5d3

At the end of the day skill with trump tech. The 1d4 is a smaller censor than the 5d3 (1.3 crop) if that's important to you. Either camera will give you quality results. Only you can decide what features are more important to you.


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Mar 23, 2017 22:31 |  #14

I would put the 5D3 and 1D4 focus speed very nearly identical. The 5D3 locks on instantly as does the 1D4, and tracks just as well, as it should as it shares basically the same AF system as the 1DX, just handicapped a bit. Perhaps the smaller battery not being able to drive a lens quite as fast in some situations, but it did just fine with the 70-200 2.8. I had to find the right set of settings to make it do what I needed it to, but once I had it nailed down, it was every bit as good as the 1D series prior to the 1DX.

It was actually the 5D3 results that year that caught the office's attention toward my shots, and they started to use them for posters, fan appreciation gifts, social media etc. despite their having a photographer already. The 5D3 delivered the goods, as did the 7D2 after that, and as the 5D4 does in spades now.

I agree with the other attributes you mention. :)


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Mar 27, 2017 17:38 |  #15

as you already have a set of 7D's but have split needs, another route is to go 5D3 + 7D2 as I have.

I have shot the 5D3 for sports, but I MUCH prefer the 7D2 over it for FPS and the buffer (oh the buffer that I wish the 5D3 had!)

easy to switch back and forth between the cameras. I use both the 5D3 and 7D2 for portraits, but reach for the 7D2 more often than my 5D3, unless shallow DOF is my primary reason for the image. The 5D3 IS better at higher iso, but I can still make prints with the 7D2 at 12,800 and be ok with them. If you like your 7D's and get along with them, the almost 1 stop advantage in files, plus anti flicker alone will make you love the 7D2.


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