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1D4, 6D, 80D. Which to sell?

 
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Apr 01, 2017 20:46 |  #31

Drums wrote in post #18317021 (external link)
You sound like video is quite important to you, if this were the case then the 5D iv might be the best camera to consider, it has the low light capability of the 6d, Af said to be comparable to the 1Dx mk1, and a host of video features (including a rumoured video spec update to C-log).
However you would loose FPS rate compared to the 1d4 and possibly metering linked to af point, and also the flip screen.
They are all good cameras, each has its own strengths, my opinion is that the 5D4 is the best compromise of all of them in 1 camera.

The 5DIV may be the best, most versatile option. It does require me to sell all three current bodies. That would certainly take care of my 'too many cameras' problem. It also allows me to keep my wide and ultra-wide line up as is. The transition to 5DIV involves only switching bodies. I already have all the glass I need for full frame.

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I think the only real question here is if you want a full frame or a crop camera. If you need the thinner DoF and extra iso range, then you're probably going to end up with a 6D ii, despite your statements about gaining nothing. If you don't need the aforementioned and like the unmatched EF-S lens line up then stay with the 80D. Sell whatever FF "only" lenses you won't use when you sell the bodies. I'd probably be in the 6D ii market my self if it wasn't for what it would take to replace my EF-S lens line up in FF. 10-18, 18-135, 55-250 and an 24 pancake. Combined it's less than the cost of one good prime and to replace it would cost a good bit and result in heavier and larger FF lenses with less focal length coverage that do the same thing. But, if you don't care about the EF-S lens line, and you want your 80D in full frame, that's what the 6d ii is shaping up to be according to all the rumors.

Your post is quite confusing. Why would I want to upgrade to a 6DII that offers little to nothing over what I already have? There is no such thing as a full frame "only" lens. All my EF glass works quite well on all three formats. I'd have to tetchedindahaid to sell good EF lenses for lesser EFs lenses, no matter what camera I am shooting. If I went to the 80D only, I'd sell the 12mm FE, 15mm FE, 12-24 II and 17-40; they are a bit pointless on apsc. A good, used 10-22 would cover most of my wide needs.

I've had the 10-18 it is crap, and slow compared to the 10-22. Sell a perfectly good 24-105 for a lesser 18-135? Sell a fantastic 70-200 f/4L IS for a 55-250 STM. Rethink those, please. The 80D is already the apsc equivalent of the 5DIV. Again, what I already have covers whatever Canon will put on the 6DII. Not going down that rabbit-hole.


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Apr 01, 2017 20:58 |  #32

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18317086 (external link)
It really does depend on what one shoots. I don't think I'd give up my 1D IV for either the 80D or the 6D, but I am a wildlife photographer... esp. birds. That and we live in Florida where there is lots of light on most days. The only time I'm inside using a camera tends to be photos of our cat.... for my wife. I sometimes shoot food but my iPhone works well for that simple task.

Tom, you mentioned how nice the feel of the 1D IV body is. I know it's heavier than the 80D even with a battery grip.... but the weight is so well balanced, I hardly notice. I've had a 60D, 70D, 7D2 and now my 1D IV. It handles better than any of them for me.

That being said, if you could sell all three and buy a 5D IV, I think you'd be set. You wouldn't get the frame rate of the 1D IV, but that would be the only negative.... and anticipation can usually offset shutter speed. I sold off all my EF-S glass when I bought the 1D IV. It was sort of painful but I don't miss any of the EF-S lenses I had. I'm sort of sad I sold the EF 35 f/2 IS. I don't think I gave that lens enough time to grow on me.

The 5DIV is about the only way I can get down to one body, and have all the features I want. I've stated before, and I'll reiterate here: the 1DIV is the best 'hand-feel' camera I've ever had the pleasure of using. Lens doesn't matter on this body. It is equally at home with a 50 STM as it is a 100-400Lc. I mostly use the 1DIV with a 100-400L. I don't use a strap. I've never found a better way to carry that camera than in my hands.

I sold all of my ef-s glass when I got the 6D over two years ago. The only reason I bought the 18-55 STM is to have a kit lens to sell with the 80D if/when the time comes. Seems used-apsc buyers always want a lens. I agree that you stepped in it when you sold the 35IS. It is my favorite prime on full frame. It doesn't do what the 135L does, but it gets a lot more use.

I guess I'll have to go read the 5DIV manual. Perhaps that is an option. I'd wait until it is available as a refurb, though. I'm not spending that kind of scratch without a warranty.


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Apr 01, 2017 21:03 |  #33

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The 5DIV is about the only way I can get down to one body, and have all the features I want. I've stated before, and I'll reiterate here: the 1DIV is the best 'hand-feel' camera I've ever had the pleasure of using. Lens doesn't matter on this body. It is equally at home with a 50 STM as it is a 100-400Lc. I mostly use the 1DIV with a 100-400L. I don't use a strap. I've never found a better way to carry that camera than in my hands.

I sold all of my ef-s glass when I got the 6D over two years ago. The only reason I bought the 18-55 STM is to have a kit lens to sell with the 80D if/when the time comes. Seems used-apsc buyers always want a lens. I agree that you stepped in it when you sold the 35IS. It is my favorite prime on full frame. It doesn't do what the 135L does, but it gets a lot more use.

I guess I'll have to go read the 5DIV manual. Perhaps that is an option. I'd wait until it is available as a refurb, though. I'm not spending that kind of scratch without a warranty.

I didn't fall in love with the 35 f/2 IS on my 1D IV. The only full frame camera I have is a 5Dc I bought from someone here on POTN. I haven't used it much, unfortunately. It was the right price and I had the cash. I had already sold the 35 f/2 IS before I got it.


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Apr 01, 2017 22:05 |  #34

Bassat wrote in post #18317087 (external link)
I've had the 10-18 it is crap, and slow compared to the 10-22. Sell a perfectly good 24-105 for a lesser 18-135? Sell a fantastic 70-200 f/4L IS for a 55-250 STM. Rethink those, please. The 80D is already the apsc equivalent of the 5DIV. Again, what I already have covers whatever Canon will put on the 6DII. Not going down that rabbit-hole.

I guess you take live action UWA or night photography, because otherwise the 10-18 is faster than the 10-22. 24-105 being an acceptable substitute for a 29-216? Hardly. I don't understand how you are compaing a 70-200 for 88-400. equivalent. Ignoring the fact all of the lenses you list are twice the weight of the crop equivalent, it's clear you have no interest in lightweight kits, cheap kits, or crop factor. So why do you create a whole thread where you feel the need to justify your purchase of a 5D4 when it's clear your mind is made up?




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Apr 01, 2017 22:48 |  #35

vengence wrote in post #18317142 (external link)
I guess you take live action UWA or night photography, because otherwise the 10-18 is faster than the 10-22. 24-105 being an acceptable substitute for a 29-216? Hardly. I don't understand how you are compaing a 70-200 for 88-400. equivalent. Ignoring the fact all of the lenses you list are twice the weight of the crop equivalent, it's clear you have no interest in lightweight kits, cheap kits, or crop factor. So why do you create a whole thread where you feel the need to justify your purchase of a 5D4 when it's clear your mind is made up?

You are obviously mistaken about the 10-18/10-22 debate. The 10-18 is f/4.5-5.6 and STM. The 10-22 is f/3.5-4.5 and USM. The 10-22 is faster with respect to focusing, and aperture. It also vignettes a boatload less than the 10-18. Flare is an insignificant problem for a properly hooded 10-22. Can't speak to that aspect of the 10-18. I owned both. The 10-22 is superior in every aspect imaginable except: cost & size/weight.

Not sure where you're pulling the 29-216 from. If you are going to convert one lens' range, do so for both. It only makes sense to compare like values. I use the 24-105 STM on all three formats. It does offer a narrower focal length range on apsc than the 18-135. So? I already own a lens that focuses faster, vignettes a ton less, and offers better IQ than any of the 18-135s. Spending money to downgrade my optics seems just plain silly. If I need wider, I have the excellent 18-55 STM. If I need longer, I have the 70-200 f/4L IS USM.

Your 70-200 to 88-400 point is completely lost. What are you talking about? My 70-200 f/4L IS USM is better glass than the 55-250. If I need more length, I'd mount the 100-400L. Buying a 55-250 just to get 50mm of focal length in an inferior, slow-focusing lens makes less sense than buying an 18-135.

I am not ignoring the ef-s glass. Those lenses you refer to as 'twice the weight' of their ef-s counterparts are already bought and paid for. I already own them. Even if I switched to the 80D exclusively, I would replace exactly none of my 28mm or longer EF lenses with inferior efs lenses. I've already owned a ton of ef-s glass. I sold it for EF glass that is optically superior, and focuses faster.

I do have an interest in lightweight kits. That is why I bought the 80D in the first place, as a smaller/ligther replacement for my 1DIV. It does so nicely, which is how I got in this dilemma in the first place. The 1DIV/100-400 combination is just about twice the weight of the 80D/70-200 f/4L (w/ or w/o 1.4X II TC).

Thanks for the input, but your flawed conclusions are somewhere out over the left-field fence. Let's just leave them there.


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Apr 02, 2017 04:27 |  #36

While I don't relish the idea of selling all three bodies, after looking over the 5D4 manual, I am intrigued. The 5D4 does have some 1-series Custom Controls no other 5-series has had. It also does the flicker thing. Custom menus and Q-screens, and the video AF seems as good as the 80D. All of that kind of rules out the 5DIII, which has none of these.

The 5D4 at $3500 is all three of my bodies (1D4 ~$900, 6D ~$900, 80D ~$800 = $2600) PLUS another $900. I consider that a bit steep just to get features I've already got. A refurbed unit, when they are available, will be about $2800. Maybe a better idea is to just keep all three current bodies and spread the wear around.


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Apr 02, 2017 05:28 |  #37

To muddy the waters. When I go out on big ventures like upstate NY in the fall, I have a big camera bag.with two bodies in it. One body with long Lens and one with a uwa. It's great to just pick up a camera without fiddling with lenses when youre out and about.


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Apr 02, 2017 06:18 |  #38

Actually the 55-250 focuses quite fast and has great IQ.You just have to have the newest one. It is one of Canons nice little bang for the buck lenses.

I think the 5d4 is the right answer. It gives you the features you love on the 6d and 80d, and gives you a higher resolution apsh crop.


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Apr 02, 2017 08:58 |  #39

You say you don't go over ISO 1600 and that the 80d's autofocus is almost as good as the 1DMKiv. I say sell both the 6d and 1DMKiv and keep the 80d.


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Frodge wrote in post #18317289 (external link)
To muddy the waters. When I go out on big ventures like upstate NY in the fall, I have a big camera bag.with two bodies in it. One body with long Lens and one with a uwa. It's great to just pick up a camera without fiddling with lenses when youre out and about.

I did that when I shot sports/athletics for the HS my wife worked at. Two cameras and several lenses is overkill for me these days. My max carry is 1 body, 2-3 lenses, and maybe a flash or two. I just don't need two cameras at the same time anymore.

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Actually the 55-250 focuses quite fast and has great IQ.You just have to have the newest one. It is one of Canons nice little bang for the buck lenses.

I think the 5d4 is the right answer. It gives you the features you love on the 6d and 80d, and gives you a higher resolution apsh crop.

I have nothing against the 55-250 STM, or the 18-135 STM for that matter. But, I don't think I'd ever sell off a 24-105 STM and/or 70-200 f/4L IS to get them.

I agree with you about the 5D4 doing everything I'd like one camera to do. Now if I could just do something about that $3500 price tag! Honestly, that is about what I have in the bodies I have (1D4 $1300 used, 6D $1500 new, 80D $850 refurb). Selling all three would net me about $1,000 less than the 5D4 costs. I'd be effectively paying $1,000 (or so) to get all of the features I already have. Which leaves me back at just selling one of my current bodies, and pocketing the money. I thinks it may be time to consider letting go of the 1D4, even at today's prices.


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Apr 02, 2017 09:12 |  #41

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You say you don't go over ISO 1600 and that the 80d's autofocus is almost as good as the 1DMKiv. I say sell both the 6d and 1DMKiv and keep the 80d.

That idea has been pondered. The 80D is one fantastic camera, for sure. Since I have a few ultra-wide lenses for full frame, I'd have to sell them and replace with aps-c equivalents. I'd sell: Rokinon 12mm FE, Sigma 15mm FE, Sigma 12-24II (just bought it), and 17-40. Potential replacements? Sigma 8-16 & EFs 10-22, I believe. I'd keep all my other EF glass.

A viable option, certainly. Cheaper than selling everything and getting a 5D4, too! Thanks.


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Apr 02, 2017 09:13 as a reply to Bassat's post |  #42

I've seen several mint condition used ones go here and at FM for between 2800 and 3200.


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Apr 02, 2017 11:37 |  #43

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Apr 02, 2017 12:50 |  #44

Hey, Bassat...

Just recently I attended 3 days of air shows using my 1D4 and 80D. I can tell you the AF Servo in the 80D Rocks for flying aircraft.
AF speed and accuracy is just as good as my 1D4. Great IQ, too. But keep in mind that I only shoot in good light.

I'm still sorting and editing over 2000 80D images, but so far the camera is a winner for my type of photography.
And maybe, just maybe, I'll put one of my 1D4s up for sale.


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Apr 02, 2017 13:06 |  #45

You guys are seriously talking me into buying an 80D.


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