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Apr 02, 2017 09:55 |  #4561

Went out to the fog yesterday morning. It was thick but I love it and with a Fuji in my hand nothing can go wrong when it comes to black and white photos.
Here are my favorites from that trip.

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Apr 02, 2017 13:26 |  #4562

My co-worker decided to do her baby's gender reveal at a private showing we had of the new Beauty and the Beast movie. It was pretty cool seeing the theater packed full of families that I know and kids that I coach. I think they're reveal was pretty awesome too, the kids went nuts :lol: I brought the X-T1 and 18mm because I wasn't sure they would let me keep my camera in the theater, so if I had to put it back in my car I wanted my cheapest camera for peace of mind...

Yellow rose indicated a girl, if it were a boy the rose would have been Red (Belle and the Beast)

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The X-T1 did much better than I expected. It was very dark in the theater (as you can tell from the EXIF, and those shots were pushed up even further in post) yet the X-T1 had no issues with locking focus. From the way everyone seemed so eager to upgrade to the X-T2 I figured it'd be a noticeable downgrade from my X-Pro2, but it honestly wasn't far off at all :)

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Apr 03, 2017 01:42 |  #4563

Everyday,

I wish my X-T2 was cleaner in high iso. The X-T10 I had was not as good as the X-t2 at high iso. The X-T2 was definitely a good improvement in that respect. I notice that the X-T2 still is "OK" in my tolerance to noise. I notice Fuji goes very soft at high iso even when you get appropriate exposure while dragging the shutter. A critical client would pin point soft images.

I notice you've pushed the limits and dragged the shutter during the "gender reveal". This is where your previous A7S would have have trumped the X-T1 or X-T2/X-PRO2 in low light available light shooting. At the end of the day the image is the final word as there is still no excuses to a client what we use.

Since I'm also a Canon shoot this is where on many occasions I would prefer my 5d3 even a Canon 6D if I had to shoot available light.

Recently I was forced to shoot ISO 6400 with my X-T2 with 16mm f/1.4. It was acceptable but I know as a fact even my aging 5dmk3 with 24Lmk2 would have done a much better than my X-T2.

One thing I'm grateful is that Fuji cleans up relatively well in post. In most cases my fuji still meets my needs.


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Apr 03, 2017 04:25 |  #4564

Every year I shoot with a Santa that works in an inner city community centre, family's there have not much but the kids are always good humoured, this I do for free, they all get their Santa photo and a little gift plus this Santa is really good & to be honest it's a lot of fun. I never like adding much light so a little bit of a test for me in shooting in bad light each year but I'm use to that from weddings anyway.
This is 1/100 @ f/1.4 ISO 12800 on an X-PRO2 Loads of detail.

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Apr 03, 2017 04:30 |  #4565

And this one is 12800 SOOC JPEG ACROS 1/100 @ F/1.4 - fully manual including focus which is sooo easy now.

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Apr 03, 2017 04:59 |  #4566

Fuji is pretty darn good but it still doesn't touch the 5d4 at any ISO.


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Apr 03, 2017 05:25 as a reply to Talley's post |  #4567

Unless you are comparing it to the GFX 50s  :p

That is my point with Fuji Tally, for a crop sensor camera Fuji have come very close to what FF cameras are producing. So close that I was able to let go my 5D3 for work. They are now good enough. For me the little trade off in quality is far out weighed my the savings in size and weight, the cost of a complete system and all the good things mirrorless have going for them. Unless I super zoom in I have a hard time telling what camera took what photo a lot of the time. Clients are happy so therefor so am I. I will confess to missing my 50Art as well as the 135L f/2 - loved that lens.


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Apr 03, 2017 06:13 |  #4568

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18318095 (external link)
Unless you are comparing it to the GFX 50s  :p

That is my point with Fuji Tally, for a crop sensor camera Fuji have come very close to what FF cameras are producing. So close that I was able to let go my 5D3 for work. They are now good enough. For me the little trade off in quality is far out weighed my the savings in size and weight, the cost of a complete system and all the good things mirrorless have going for them. Unless I super zoom in I have a hard time telling what camera took what photo a lot of the time. Clients are happy so therefor so am I. I will confess to missing my 50Art as well as the 135L f/2 - loved that lens.

Agreed which is why with this new 24mp I'm finally investing... it matches the 5D3 easily.

But like you said certain things I must keep the 5D4 for. I'm going to dwindle my 5D4 kit down to a holy trinity: 85A, 200/2 and 400/2.8 The rest just doesn't seem to be important anymore when Fuji gets the job done.


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Apr 03, 2017 12:34 as a reply to post 18316853 |  #4569

Took the X-T2 to NYC this past weekend, was a ton of fun!

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Apr 03, 2017 19:37 |  #4570

AlanU wrote in post #18318048 (external link)
Everyday,

I wish my X-T2 was cleaner in high iso. The X-T10 I had was not as good as the X-t2 at high iso. The X-T2 was definitely a good improvement in that respect. I notice that the X-T2 still is "OK" in my tolerance to noise. I notice Fuji goes very soft at high iso even when you get appropriate exposure while dragging the shutter. A critical client would pin point soft images.

I notice you've pushed the limits and dragged the shutter during the "gender reveal". This is where your previous A7S would have have trumped the X-T1 or X-T2/X-PRO2 in low light available light shooting. At the end of the day the image is the final word as there is still no excuses to a client what we use.

Since I'm also a Canon shoot this is where on many occasions I would prefer my 5d3 even a Canon 6D if I had to shoot available light.

Recently I was forced to shoot ISO 6400 with my X-T2 with 16mm f/1.4. It was acceptable but I know as a fact even my aging 5dmk3 with 24Lmk2 would have done a much better than my X-T2.

One thing I'm grateful is that Fuji cleans up relatively well in post. In most cases my fuji still meets my needs.

I find all of my Fuji's very acceptable with high ISO handling. I think the difference between the X-TransII and III is about half a stop to maybe one stop in real world conditions in my opinion. It's welcome, but not a night and day difference to me, especially when shooting B&W (which is usually what I do if I'm above ISO6400 because the light usually doesn't look good for color anyway).

Yes, the a7S would certainly have done better than the X-T1 in that scenario, it's that precise reasoning that I bought the a7S in the first place... but before long I realized that this type of scenario was a rare occurrence and in reality the difference was close enough that it just wasn't worth justifying the extra expense, weight and loss of fun shooting with the a7 line.

I'm confused by your comments about image quality being the final word and all that, honestly tech has come so far with cameras in the past 5 years that it's ridiculous, I can't imagine any clients (that I've had or will have) complaining about any of the images from my Fujis. In fact I'd be really surprised if they could even tell the difference between shots from my Fuji cameras and shots from my prior FF cameras (a7S, a7R and 6D). They hire me because they trust that I know what I am doing, they know that I'll choose the tools right for the job, and I have done exactly that ;)

I honestly don't think there's a lot of difference between my X-Pro2 files and my old 6D's files when it comes to high ISO, if anything I would argue that the X-Pro2 shots are better... here's some quick examples (note that you should view them on flickr and not embedded on here, at least for my browser, this forum horribly compresses shots)

6D @ISO12800

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X-Pro2 @ISO12800
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And the X100T @ISO6400 and pushed over a stop, so effectively the same...
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Even the exposures between the 3 are very similar and even shot in the same room within a few feet from each other! :lol:

This is obviously not an apples to apples comparison given that they're processed a bit differently, the lighting is different and they're at different focus distances, but I know for sure that the two Fuji shots didn't have any NR applied (I rarely ever use it) and can't be sure about the 6D shot since it was so long ago, but I don't think it had any NR applied either. To me they look similar enough as to not split hairs over (though I should pull down the shadows/blacks a bit more with the X100T shot).

I think you should do some side by side experimenting with your 5D3, it may surprise you. In fact, I'd be curious to see those results, maybe I am remembering my FF gear with darker shaded glasses, but I just don't see them as being that far ahead of what Fuji's doing now with their APS-C sensors.

Here's at least a few other reviews I saw that agree with my conclusions of Fuji vs FF;
Comments on ISO at 7:15 and again at 11:30. https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=VwRRioxMfw0 (external link)
http://admiringlight.c​om ...y-a7-ii-noise-comparison/ (external link)
http://www.fujirumors.​com ...o-2-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii/ (external link)
https://ivanjoshualoh.​com ...1/30/x-pro2-takes-on-5d3/ (external link)

There's plenty of others out there and I'm sure plenty that argue the other way too... which frankly just further supports my point that it's as near as close as to not matter for the majority of users.

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18318078 (external link)
Every year I shoot with a Santa that works in an inner city community centre, family's there have not much but the kids are always good humoured, this I do for free, they all get their Santa photo and a little gift plus this Santa is really good & to be honest it's a lot of fun. I never like adding much light so a little bit of a test for me in shooting in bad light each year but I'm use to that from weddings anyway.
This is 1/100 @ f/1.4 ISO 12800 on an X-PRO2 Loads of detail.

Great shot and example ;)

Talley wrote in post #18318086 (external link)
Fuji is pretty darn good but it still doesn't touch the 5d4 at any ISO.

I liked your post by accident trying to quote you... :lol: I think "doesn't touch the 5D4" is a bit of a hyperbole... examples or it doesn't happen  :p :lol:

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18318095 (external link)
Unless you are comparing it to the GFX 50s  :p

That is my point with Fuji Tally, for a crop sensor camera Fuji have come very close to what FF cameras are producing. So close that I was able to let go my 5D3 for work. They are now good enough. For me the little trade off in quality is far out weighed my the savings in size and weight, the cost of a complete system and all the good things mirrorless have going for them. Unless I super zoom in I have a hard time telling what camera took what photo a lot of the time. Clients are happy so therefor so am I. I will confess to missing my 50Art as well as the 135L f/2 - loved that lens.

This. Though as I said before, I honestly prefer the images from my X-Pro2 over any camera I've owned anyway (though the a7S came very close and better in extreme circumstances, I'm talking useable shots above ISO50k :eek: )

Talley wrote in post #18318118 (external link)
Agreed which is why with this new 24mp I'm finally investing... it matches the 5D3 easily.

But like you said certain things I must keep the 5D4 for. I'm going to dwindle my 5D4 kit down to a holy trinity: 85A, 200/2 and 400/2.8 The rest just doesn't seem to be important anymore when Fuji gets the job done.

Must you though? What did you do last year before the 5D4 came out? Refuse to shoot ;)

I hate coming off as such a Fuji fanboy, but I've never been happier with any camera company. I still love and appreciate any good camera though, in fact the shots I posted before of my friend with the a6500, he bought that camera upon my recommendation, and yes, that recommendation came after I had sold all my Sony gear :lol:

X100T

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Apr 03, 2017 20:23 |  #4571

I've been a fuji fanboy for years but stayed way due to poor video performance. Now they corrected that I bought into the system... I waited a long time for the X-T20 and now have it for the wife. Now that I've shot it I am very envious of what that little camera can do and want the X-T2 only for the joystick and viewfinder upgrades.


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Apr 03, 2017 21:14 |  #4572

AlanU wrote in post #18318048 (external link)
Everyday,

I wish my X-T2 was cleaner in high iso. The X-T10 I had was not as good as the X-t2 at high iso. The X-T2 was definitely a good improvement in that respect. I notice that the X-T2 still is "OK" in my tolerance to noise. I notice Fuji goes very soft at high iso even when you get appropriate exposure while dragging the shutter. A critical client would pin point soft images.

I'm genuinely curious about what context you are creating images that you are delivering to a client which are "unsatisfactory" and what ISO setting you are using in that context.

The reason I ask is that I'm having a hard time imagining what those conditions are...


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Apr 03, 2017 22:03 |  #4573

F2Bthere wrote in post #18318815 (external link)
I'm genuinely curious about what context you are creating images that you are delivering to a client which are "unsatisfactory" and what ISO setting you are using in that context.

The reason I ask is that I'm having a hard time imagining what those conditions are...

My biggest problem is that I only use available light with my fuji gear. This is why I'm having issues with soft images and noise. I normally pull out an external flash and bounce.

I have not used my Fuji for events photography. I still need to buy a lot of fuji gear to meet my needs.

I've been testing my Fuji gear extensively but as a camera body using available light. I just haven't felt the need to spend more money on my secondary system as my Canon fully supports all of my needs both casual and paid.

If I only used my fuji gear in ideal light and have a posed session with more luxury of time the fuji is great. My fuji gear I'm documenting family/friends events from low iso to 6400. I shoot both available light and flash exposure. I'm really limiting myself with fuji as I only shoot available light. I dont like using my cactus triggers to support HSS with my Cactus RF60 flash units.

I enjoy using both Canon and Fuji. I use my Fuji secondary system a lot and my fuji 16mm is my go to system in many cases as I love the full frame 24mm FOV.

Many high iso images on the "net" I see with fuji are soft and in many cases motion blur. This is "unsatisfactory" to me and when I push my X-T2 to iso 6400 it'll be soft. Perhaps I'm just comparing my 5d3 iso capabilities as a "better" iso performer. However I need to buy a Fuji flash but locally it seems it's almost impossible to find the new fuji flash. When the light gets low I'll just grab my 80D w/ flash or other canon bodies.

In good light my 80d/5d3 still locks on fast moving subject more precisely than my X-T2.

I just appreciate having two camera systems. I still prefer the dlsr when I'm demanding on the AF system.


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Apr 03, 2017 22:11 |  #4574

I don't think I could ever move to a full fuji system just due to the AF demands and more so the flash system. Kinda really clunky with a decent speedlight on top of a tiny camera.... the bigger flashes just balance better on the larger camera.


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Apr 03, 2017 22:41 |  #4575

AlanU wrote in post #18318849 (external link)
My biggest problem is that I only use available light with my fuji gear. This is why I'm having issues with soft images and noise. I normally pull out an external flash and bounce.

I have not used my Fuji for events photography. I still need to buy a lot of fuji gear to meet my needs.

I've been testing my Fuji gear extensively but as a camera body using available light. I just haven't felt the need to spend more money on my secondary system as my Canon fully supports all of my needs both casual and paid.

If I only used my fuji gear in ideal light and have a posed session with more luxury of time the fuji is great. My fuji gear I'm documenting family/friends events from low iso to 6400. I shoot both available light and flash exposure. I'm really limiting myself with fuji as I only shoot available light. I dont like using my cactus triggers to support HSS with my Cactus RF60 flash units.

I enjoy using both Canon and Fuji. I use my Fuji secondary system a lot and my fuji 16mm is my go to system in many cases as I love the full frame 24mm FOV.

Many high iso images on the "net" I see with fuji are soft and in many cases motion blur. This is "unsatisfactory" to me and when I push my X-T2 to iso 6400 it'll be soft. Perhaps I'm just comparing my 5d3 iso capabilities as a "better" iso performer. However I need to buy a Fuji flash but locally it seems it's almost impossible to find the new fuji flash. When the light gets low I'll just grab my 80D w/ flash or other canon bodies.

In good light my 80d/5d3 still locks on fast moving subject more precisely than my X-T2.

I just appreciate having two camera systems. I still prefer the dlsr when I'm demanding on the AF system.

To go back to my last post, I just don't see that issue with Fuji's being any softer than shots from my 6D. They get a little softer than my a7S shots were at 12,800, but below that it's pretty much been a wash in my experience. Your comment about motion blur doesn't really make much sense to me either since you'd encounter that issue with any camera -?

Talley wrote in post #18318855 (external link)
I don't think I could ever move to a full fuji system just due to the AF demands and more so the flash system. Kinda really clunky with a decent speedlight on top of a tiny camera.... the bigger flashes just balance better on the larger camera.

That's what flash triggers are for ;)

I've personally never understood the argument for "balance" by adding a heavier weight thing to balance something light (as in a heavier camera to balance a heavy flash or a grip just for the weight)... I'd rather deal with a slightly more awkward balance setup than something more cumbersome... but different strokes for different folks.

As for the AF... what are you shooting that you feel the AF is lacking? I must have the most lax approach with my AF needs, the only Fuji that ever disappointed me in the AF department was my X-E1 :lol:


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