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Glaour Photo Shoot with a Dark-Skinned Bride

 
rejay14
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Nov 30, 2016 06:26 |  #1

I have a shoot booked for next weekend. I am shooting a maternity shoot for an hour in a hotel room, then going down to shoot an hour or two of the Baby Shower.

Here's my question: She is a VERY dark-skinned mother-to-be. She wants "natural light" photos in the hotel room before the shower begins. I have asked her to send me Pinterest boards on what she wants, no luck. All I know is no lingerie.

I have softboxes including 5'Octa, 2'x3', 3'x4' with grid, 24", 2x 12x55" strips with grids and a 4x6 box.

I plan on using strobes, I feel if someone says "natural light", they don't know how good I can make the strobes look. Plus, it's at 3:30 PM, in a hotel room, in Canada. Not gonna be huge loads of light coming in those there windows. I think that I can use the 4x6' box with no grid for a nice window. Oh yes, using Profoto B1 500's

Any, well....ANY suggestions on lighting?? What should I know about dark-skinned models? I believe she may be Jamaican if any of this helps.

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Nov 30, 2016 10:00 |  #2

Dark skin photographs pretty much the same as lighter skin. When I shoot portraits, the only change I make for darker skin is to reduce my "kicker" light as darker skin tends to shine more.


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Nov 30, 2016 13:27 |  #3

Hire a skilled makeup artist who knows how to work with that kind of skin.


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Nov 30, 2016 13:30 |  #4

nathancarter wrote in post #18199308 (external link)
Hire a skilled makeup artist who knows how to work with that kind of skin.


This is excellent advice. A good make up job will go a long way in reducing retouching headaches.


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Nov 30, 2016 14:09 |  #5

I've shot a lot of dark skinned people and I don't necessarily treat the lighting any different, but mentally I am thinking that I am working more with highlights and to a lesser extent the midtones, whereas with pale people I am thinking more about the shadows and midtones.

You probably won't need to bring your entire kit with you, but that huge 4 x 6 box will definitely give you a better simulation of natural light than anything else.

And YES, so much yes, to a good, experienced makeup artist. Make sure they have the right product before hiring them. I've heard a lot of sad and terrible stories from dark skinned models who had to work with makeup artists who didn't have product any darker than what could (very charitably) be called "white girl spray tan".


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Nov 30, 2016 18:32 |  #6

paintedlotus wrote in post #18199359 (external link)
I've shot a lot of dark skinned people and I don't necessarily treat the lighting any different, but mentally I am thinking that I am working more with highlights and to a lesser extent the midtones, whereas with pale people I am thinking more about the shadows and midtones.

You probably won't need to bring your entire kit with you, but that huge 4 x 6 box will definitely give you a better simulation of natural light than anything else.

And YES, so much yes, to a good, experienced makeup artist. Make sure they have the right product before hiring them. I've heard a lot of sad and terrible stories from dark skinned models who had to work with makeup artists who didn't have product any darker than what could (very charitably) be called "white girl spray tan".

Good advice. A MUA who has experience with darker skin is very important! Don't forget some reflectors as well. Even down there in the south the days are short and dark! I grew up in St Kitts, Jeff- nice to see someone on the board from there :)


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Dec 02, 2016 17:12 as a reply to paintedlotus's post |  #7

Pale skin brings its own highlights, dark skin brings its own shadows. Broad and soft will do the trick, especially since this mother-to-be wants natural.

If you use an MUA, keep him or her on a short leash. A lot of them don't know what to do with dark skin, so they do all kinds of silly stuff to "give it color." Answer: Not much, particularly if the intention is a natural look. Some light mascara, subtle lip color, and shine-control is all usually necessary for this kind of job...and make sure the foundation is true to the skin tone.




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Dec 05, 2016 01:56 |  #8

Thanks for the advice all!! I used B1's on ETTL, then locked them in and boosted exposure by a stop. African ladies with white dresses, ETTL nightmare. Turned out OK I think:

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Dec 05, 2016 01:59 |  #9

I just got the background and a few softboxes from Strobepro.com , holy crap good quality. I'm going to sell my Profoto boxes (5' Octa and 2x3' Box) to fund 7 boxes from StrobePro. Blown away by their quality. Just an aside..


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Dec 05, 2016 18:20 |  #10

rejay14 wrote in post #18203726 (external link)
Thanks for the advice all!! I used B1's on ETTL, then locked them in and boosted exposure by a stop. African ladies with white dresses, ETTL nightmare. Turned out OK I think:

One of those shots has incorrect exposure, and I expect it was the first one.

Dark skin should not be overexposed. Wedding photographers who know how to expose properly can get detail simultaneously in a white lace gown and a dark tuxedo; exposing for black skin tones and retaining detail in white fabric is a snap, because there are few people as dark as a tuxedo. Just keep your lighting ratio flat so you aren't adding to the inherent contrast and don't overexpose it.

If you go to a magazine rack, you see the skin tones of popular black celebrities all over the doggonned spectrum. If you pick up an image of, say, Kerry Washington in a magazine marketed to blacks, she will be reproduced two Zone steps darker than she's portrayed in a magazine aimed at a generally white audience. Or her skin may have yellow tones, or purple tones.




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Dec 06, 2016 00:50 as a reply to RDKirk's post |  #11

Fair enough... they do look a little yellow. The colours are more accurate in the gallery, this forum seems to change colours a tad, but just a bit..Thanks for the direction!


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Apr 15, 2017 23:31 |  #12

I think I'm getitng the skin exposure better with practice. I find that shooting ETTL +2/3 then bringing down the exposure helps. The skin is far less yellow and more accurately dark.

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Apr 16, 2017 19:20 |  #13

For Canon shooters, I heartily recommend springing a $7.99 USD download of the "Cinema" picture style for the most accurate SOOC reproduction of dark skin tones. I show a comparison here:

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Apr 18, 2017 21:22 |  #14

Does the photo come out as a RAW or JPEG?.


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Apr 21, 2017 01:06 |  #15

rejay14 wrote in post #18331690 (external link)
Does the photo come out as a RAW or JPEG?.

With the Cinema picture style? Like all Canon picture styles, it gets applied directly to JPEGs, but is contained in the metadata for RAW--it will be available in DPP for RAW conversion.




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