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Apr 21, 2017 11:18 |  #61

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Size preference depends on the items...

Bigger is better for TV... Monitors.. Trucks... House.. burgers..

Smaller and lighter is better for laptops.. processors.. cameras...whatever.




  
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Apr 21, 2017 11:22 |  #62

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When it comes to size, I greatly prefer a large camera, despite the fact that my hands are average in size. . I wish that Sony would realize that some people like to hold bigger cameras in their hands, and increase the size of their bodies.

A friend has a Sony 6 thousand something that is really small. .He got some kind of cage thing that looks kinda like a speed plate that wraps all the way around the camera. . It increases the overall size significantly, and he us able to use the camera comfortably due to the additional size.

The optional battery grip for the A9 seems like a no-brainer, but even with the grip the camera is too small for comfortable use.

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Nigerian food tastes bad. I've never tried it. But a friend of mine tried a Kenyan dish one time and had to add ketchup to make it taste good. Even with condiments though, I'm pretty sure Nigerian food isn't good.

I should go find a Nigerian food discussion forum and let them know.

Just curious - have you ever actually held a gripped A7 series camera? Or did you notice previous posts where several of us point out that we use them very comfortably? I'm confused at some of these outside opinions, based on no personal experience, stated like facts. e.g. "even with the grip the camera is too small for comfortable use"

All that aside - none of this is a surprise. Pretty much the same story, every time Sony makes a splash with some announcement, the Sony subforum gets a bunch of new visitors who want to point out why the gear we use is not good, in their opinion. OK, great, good talk!


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Apr 21, 2017 11:48 |  #64

rxjohn wrote in post #18333942 (external link)
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Size preference depends on the items...

Bigger is better for TV... Monitors.. Trucks... House.. burgers..

Smaller and lighter is better for laptops.. processors.. cameras...whatever.

Tbh, it's not about size, it's about ergonomics within the same size. Balance with heavy G-master lenses (which I assume the grip will help with), distance between grip and lens, i.e. The difference between the d750 and d610. Samsung Ativ or whatever they're called can make the physically smallest laptops, but their keyboard is terrible. I'll wait to try in person because I could def use the silent shutter and high iso for stage performances.


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Apr 21, 2017 11:49 as a reply to  @ john crossley's post |  #65

That is good to know. Still plenty fast. Is the compressed RAW lossless or lossy?


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Apr 21, 2017 12:00 |  #66

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That is good to know. Still plenty fast. Is the compressed RAW lossless or lossy?

If it's just like the A7Rii, the compressed RAW is lossy. But that said, I've never personally had any complaints. I did a bunch of tests when they released FW 2.0, giving us the option of uncompressed, and I couldn't find any noticeable differences in my typical shooting scenarios, so the file size increase wasn't worth it to me. But that's just me.


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Apr 21, 2017 12:15 |  #67

bpaulette wrote in post #18333946 (external link)
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.- none of this is a surprise. Pretty much the same story, every time Sony makes a splash with some announcement, the Sony subforum gets a bunch of new visitors who want to point out why the gear we use is not good, in their opinion. OK, great, good talk!

To be fair, one of the reasons the SONY forum is suddenly full of a lot of Canon posts is because some of these threads re: the SONY @9 were posted by SONY people in the Canon EOS forum to wind up the Canon shooters.

I moved them to the SONY forum as soon as I found them.
So mission accomplished, the Canon shooters got wound up.


I would hope that someone's PERSONAL feelings on size, something totally subjective like that,. would not diminish everyone's awe at what SONY is doing with this new release!

More so, the size issue is actually kind of a moot argument in that FYI much of this tech is already found in a SONY DSLR, a pretty damn awesome DSLR for that matter that some of POTN's own 1Dx2 shooters have been shooting as well. So one has the option of smaller mirrorless or larger DSLR already.

SONY is well and truly pushing the evolution of digital photography right now. It's quite impressive.


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Apr 21, 2017 12:22 |  #68

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18334011 (external link)
To be fair, one of the reasons the SONY forum is suddenly full of a lot of Canon posts is because some of these threads re: the SONY @9 were posted by SONY people in the Canon EOS forum to wind up the Canon shooters.

I moved them to the SONY forum as soon as I found them.
So mission accomplished, the Canon shooters got wound up.

Hmm, user "ksbal" started both of the threads you moved here. I'm not familiar with that user as a Sony subforum regular. His gallery shots all seem to be Canon, as are most of his posts.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18334011 (external link)
I would hope that someone's PERSONAL feelings on size, something totally subjective like that,. would not diminish everyone's awe at what SONY is doing with this new release!

More so, the size issue is actually kind of a moot argument in that FYI much of this tech is already found in a SONY DSLR, a pretty damn awesome DSLR for that matter that some of POTN's own 1Dx2 shooters have been shooting as well. So one has the option of smaller mirrorless or larger DSLR already.

SONY is well and truly pushing the evolution of digital photography right now. It's quite impressive.

In total agreement with you there, sir!


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Apr 21, 2017 12:24 |  #69

bpaulette wrote in post #18334014 (external link)
Hmm, user "ksbal" started both of the threads you moved here. I'm not familiar with that user as a Sony subforum regular. His gallery shots all seem to be Canon, as are most of his posts.

Thanks for the correction. So it was Canon shooters winding up the Canon shooters! :)


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Apr 21, 2017 12:37 |  #70

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Thanks for the correction. So it was Canon shooters winding up the Canon shooters! :)

I hope the Canon and Nikon execs get wound up. Competitive innovation is good for everybody.


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Apr 21, 2017 13:28 |  #71

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I hope the Canon and Nikon execs get wound up. Competitive innovation is good for everybody.

I am sure that both are being heavily driven by the challenge from SONY.


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I am sure that both are being heavily driven by the challenge from SONY.

Only if the camera does well. If it's a flop, they will be patting themselves on the back for not investing is a loosing technology. But given that Sony has jumped ahead of Nikon in US sales, I'm thinking the Nikon guys are getting worried.


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Apr 21, 2017 14:15 |  #73

The 1980s showed us that there was a very significant sized market for the compact body full-frame film SLR which Olympus launched with the OM series, Nikon quickly followed with the FM, and Canon popularized the compact SLR in the mass market with all the advertising for the AE-1. Pentax had its ME/MX, Minolta had its X-series. There certainly was a strong market then, and I would not doubt that there is pent up demand for smaller systems decades later. I have always wished the dSLR would go to the fat farm, yet retain FF sensor size.
But today the lenses are all quite bulky and heavy, unlike my OM series lenses from the 1970s-80s, so I have not been so driven for a small body FF mirrorless unless the lenses manage to shrink somewhat at the same time. I would love smaller FF size digital capture, like I had in my OM film system!

I just went to Sony website this morning, and looked at their lens arsenal. I chose lenses that I knew had direct equivalents by Canon, and compiled this table of comparisons:

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One might generalize that a mirrorless kit with multiple lenses would save about 10% on weight or a savings of about 1.0-1.4 lb. for a kit of 6 lenses.
While one can save weight with lenses for mirrorless, yet one cannot necessarily save on the length of the lens...FL for coverage angle is FL for coverage angle, after all, and the diameter of the collecting optics is inherently limiting...in a 100-400mm zoom, the Sony diameter is 93.9mm and the Canon is 94mm.
Unfortunately one cannot readily get specs for edge of eyepiece to front of lens mount specifications, so that one could derive the body+lens depth...instead, the included grip always protrudes past the mount and is included in dimensional information. But, generally speaking, the mirrorless lenses are just as lengthly as the dSLR lenses of the same format size -- some are longer, some are shorter! Size and weight is mostly an argument for the body by itself.

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Apr 21, 2017 14:18 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #74

I was recently at a very popular tourist destination in the US, most bigger cameras I saw were Canon Rebels, maybe 20% Nikon and a couple of Sony as Fuji X series. That's not to say Sony isn't killing it, I am sure they are in terms of $$ due to A7 series' tremendous popularity but I feel Nikon still might be ahead in terms of unit sales of loss leaders :D

Almost all FF cameras I saw were some iteration of Canon 5D series. FWIW, I don't put any stock in this kind of thing but as an avid user and a well read consumer I observe very keenly. That made me think of Matt Granger once said, people can knock the 5D as much as they like, its still the dominant FF camera and will be for sometime.

I, myself am quite content with what I have. However, Sony images really intrigue me at times, the detail is just mind blowing. If I didn't have Canon glass, I probably would have dabbled with Sony a lot sooner. I like native glass and am a creature of habit. I am also a hobbyist with a young family and don't have money to throw around like I once did :)

If A7R III turns up with improved battery life and dual card slots, I will look at it very seriously. To the point, that I might load my Canon gear and stash it on the counter to trade it in.

I think Sony lenses have caught up or come close for my needs, they just seem a little overpriced. Then again, the newer Canon gear isn't much cheaper either.

Needless to say, I am keenly looking forward to Sony's announcements. They seem to create more buzz than Canon/Nikon etc.


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Apr 21, 2017 14:21 |  #75

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Only if the camera does well. If it's a flop, they will be patting themselves on the back for not investing is a loosing technology. But given that Sony has jumped ahead of Nikon in US sales, I'm thinking the Nikon guys are getting worried.


No, I disagree. And I was not talking about the a9, I was talking about SONY the last 5 or six years.

5D4's improved DR is because of the challenge of SONY's sensors for example.
The more the little guys keep punching up, the more the biog guys have to take notice. Of course SONY is really a little guy in photography anymore.


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