drewhh wrote in post #18333218
Thank you, Pondrader, I appreciate your two cents. Perhaps I am overreacting but that is an inaccurate overgeneralization of what I am saying.
There are appropriate times to feed birds and there are inappropriate times to feed birds. According to the law, inappropriate times are when bears will likely get it. in this situation we are well past that. Bears got it. Here's where we could do some actual science. If the feeders with the residue/scent/visual cues gets completely removed would the bears still come so close to human homes?
Forums like this one are meant to improve folk's wildlife photography and that includes getting called out when they are doing something wrong or unethical. I do the same thing when I run into someone acting inappropriately in the field. I call them out.
I would encourage people to get out of their back yards and into one of Pennsylvania's many beautiful public lands to photograph bears. The images will be a lot better and help the image of bears in their natural habitat rather than being reduced to dumpster diving, bird seed raiding, products of human negligence.
That being said I would like to hear more of his side of it. A discussion of what are his impressions of state law? I would like to hear why this is not baiting. I would love to understand the other side of it.
I am also coming at this from someone who knows the implications for that bear. A quick internet search couldn't tell me how many bears are killed in PA in a DLP scenario, correct me if I am wrong, but I bet there are quite a few. How long is before one of the bears brought in by feeders gets hit by a car? Shot by a neighbor? Breaks into someone's garage? Kills a dog? If I've seen it once I have seen it a thousand times and it rarely ends well for the bear.
The overarching question here is whether increasing the risks to that bear are worth some grainy, super high ISO, photo to be shared in some online forum?
You see this as an ethical argument and you purposely set out to be accusatory, your words not mine, and I'll admit that you have succeeded.
You presume to know a great deal about me and where I live, but in fact you know absolutely nothing at all. You encourage me to go outside and explore PA wilds lands yet you conveniently ignore the fact that my home literally borders 30,000 acres of wild lands. That may be a small patch by Alaskan standards but down here that is a pretty fair chunk of land. And I could hit an easy 9 iron onto that land. So my backyard is in fact the front yard of our local bear population. But admitting bears don't respect property lines would sort of ruin your argument.
I have lived here for 16 years and we have always had problem bears. But they are only problems for the people who don't live here. My neighbor's and I have no problem sharing the land so to speak. If the bears were as predictable as you make them out to be then it would be easy for me to simply remove my bird feeders at the prescribed time and return them in 2 weeks. But the only predictable thing about our local bears is that they will pass through every Spring and Fall during the times they leave and return to their dens. That has happened around here as early as the full moon in March and as late as the 27th of April. Fall season has been from early November to after Christmas. And you simply cannot predict it by weather. This year I thought bears would show in early March like they did in 2012, for this year my rhododendrons were budding in late February. But it turned colder and we got heavy snow in mid-March so the timing changed.
So we do what neighbors do and we talk. And when one sees the bear or bears then we pass the word. But that doesn't stop them from getting into garbage on trash day, or getting after grills kept on porches or decks. And there are older people in the neighborhood that put out food for stray cats and they get hit too. But we manage and none of us to my knowledge have lost anything of value other than a bird feeder and an occasional damaged shed where bird food and dog food was stored. No one has lost a pet or been harassed by any of the local bears and we don't expect it happen anytime soon because we respect them.
I'll apologize, though I absolutely do not think one is due, for leaving the empty feeder hanging. Next time I'll go as far as to drag the shop vac out and vacuum up the seeds that those pesky messy birds spill. It won't change anything though. The bears were going to come back, and will be back until the hills are covered in green when they will return to their summer homes. That's what our bears do, and they have been doing it like that for generations. The population is growing and will continue to grow and we will continue to manage.
I will admit that I was offended that you implied I was looking for an immediate answer to setting up remote shooting capability for that assumed I did not intend to stop feeding the birds and made it sound like my feeding the birds was merely a guise to bait bears. That hurt because you're dead wrong, but you for damn sure seem to be righteous. And that is a dangerous combination.
In closing my feeders will go up again around May 1st where they will remain until the time to bring them in during the fall migration. I'll lose no sleep over having offended your sensibilities and I suggest you find a choir more favorable to your tone for your next preaching effort because most of the folks here ain't hearing your song.
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