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Sony A9: Is Canon doomed ?

 
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May 18, 2017 10:15 |  #1036

CheshireCat wrote in post #18357565 (external link)
Yeah, right, like this one:
http://www.cbsnews.com ...-highlight-button-update/ (external link)

Also read this for extra fun/sadness:
http://www.freepatents​online.com/crazy.html (external link)

Cheshire Cat, those links you provided seem to back up what I had said, not to discredit it.

So yeah, it is just like I said, and just like Raptor said.

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May 18, 2017 10:19 |  #1037

Wilt wrote in post #18357586 (external link)
And we know the A9 has to shoot flash at 1/250 to sync

Why so slow? . Why not any speed we want? . If I'm going to use flash for fill with birds in flight, and I want to freeze wing motion, then what good is this 1/250 synch speed going to do me?

Sheesh! . This is 2017, and yet in some ways it feels like we're still stuck back in 2005. . Canon and Sony BOTH need to get with the program and step up their game in this area and many other areas as well.

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May 18, 2017 10:21 |  #1038

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18357604 (external link)
Why so slow? . Why not any speed we want? . If I'm going to use flash for fill with birds in flight, and I want to freeze wing motion, then what good is this 1/250 synch speed going to do me?

Sheesh! . This is 2017, and yet in some ways it feels like we're still stuck back in 2005. . Canon and Sony BOTH need to get with the program and step up their game in this area and many other areas as well.

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Hokay, go use a leaf shutter supertelephoto lens from phase one then.


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May 18, 2017 10:26 |  #1039

Guise, we have a disease. You have it, I have it, your mother has it. It's called GAS.


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May 18, 2017 10:41 |  #1040

Recently we've seen a trend of Sony shying away from supplying Nikon with their best sensors, and Canon/Nikon being behind in sensor development.

I doubt either Canon or Nikon will be "doomed", at least not until Sony releases a comprehensive variety of full sized pro DSLRs. The only issue I have with Sony is that their "compact" DSLRs bodies dont feel rugged enough, ergonomically not suited for prolonged periods of professional shooting, and dont have enough quick access buttons.


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May 18, 2017 11:01 |  #1041

idkdc wrote in post #18357609 (external link)
Hokay, go use a leaf shutter supertelephoto lens from phase one then.

Even those are not 'at any speed you want'...because the leaf shutters are limited to 1/1600.


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May 18, 2017 11:01 |  #1042

idkdc wrote in post #18357609 (external link)
Hokay, go use a leaf shutter supertelephoto lens from phase one then.

I'm sorry, I do not know what you are talking about. . I am not familiar with the terms "phase one" and "leaf shutter".

I just want there to be no limitation to the flash synch speed with any of the gear I already use - I think it's ridiculous that I would have to go out and get separate gear just to be able to sync at high speeds. . That was kind of my point - this stuff should be in every camera made. . It's not like it's rocket science.

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May 18, 2017 11:02 |  #1043

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18357604 (external link)
Why so slow? . Why not any speed we want? . If I'm going to use flash for fill with birds in flight, and I want to freeze wing motion, then what good is this 1/250 synch speed going to do me?

Sheesh! . This is 2017, and yet in some ways it feels like we're still stuck back in 2005. . Canon and Sony BOTH need to get with the program and step up their game in this area and many other areas as well.

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dunnowhy...have to wait for the A9 to be more thorough tested to understand why, perhaps...for now "that's just the way it is"


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May 18, 2017 11:04 |  #1044

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18357645 (external link)
I'm sorry, I do not know what you are talking about. . I am not familiar with the terms "phase one" and "leaf shutter".

I just want there to be no limitation to the flash synch speed with any of the gear I already use - I think it's ridiculous that I would have to go out and get separate gear just to be able to sync at high speeds. . That was kind of my point - this stuff should be in every camera made. . It's not like it's rocket science.

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It's called physics and line by line reading of the cmos sensor. Global shutter is the only answer. Read about focal plane vs leaf shutter and you'll see that there are pros and cons to both.


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May 18, 2017 11:06 |  #1045

Wilt wrote in post #18357644 (external link)
Even those are not 'at any speed you want'...because the leaf shutters are limited to 1/1600.

Correct. There is no shutter mechanism that syncs with h flash at any speed without hss workarounds.


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May 18, 2017 11:09 |  #1046

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18357645 (external link)
I'm sorry, I do not know what you are talking about. . I am not familiar with the terms "phase one" and "leaf shutter".

I just want there to be no limitation to the flash synch speed with any of the gear I already use - I think it's ridiculous that I would have to go out and get separate gear just to be able to sync at high speeds. . That was kind of my point - this stuff should be in every camera made. . It's not like it's rocket science.

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Lenses made by Schneider to fit the Phase One medium format digital camera have a leaf shutter built in each lens, much like the Hassy lenses for the Hassy 500 series film bodies. Not sure who makes the shutters that are in the lenses, but they do exceed the highest shutter speeds I knew for film cameras with leaf shutters, and x-sync goes all the way up to the shutter's highest speeds.


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May 18, 2017 11:09 |  #1047

idkdc wrote in post #18357651 (external link)
It's called physics and line by line reading of the cmos sensor. Global shutter is the only answer. Read about focal plane vs leaf shutter and you'll see that there are pros and cons to both.

Thanks for the explanation, but, with all due respect, I really don't care about what stuff they put inside the camera - I just want the darn cameras to work the way I need them to work to create the images that I want them to create. . The technology used to accomplish this doesn't interest me in the least. . Just like the car - couldn't care less about what kind of engine it is, just want it to go when I push that gas pedal and stop when I push the brakes, and not use too much gasoline in the meantime.

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May 18, 2017 11:16 |  #1048

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18357655 (external link)
Thanks for the explanation, but, with all due respect, I really don't care about what stuff they put inside the camera - I just want the darn cameras to work the way I need them to work to create the images that I want them to create. . The technology used to accomplish this doesn't interest me in the least. . Just like the car - couldn't care less about what kind of engine it is, just want it to go when I push that gas pedal and stop when I push the brakes, and not use too much gasoline in the meantime.

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Then you don't need unlimited x sync speed.


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May 18, 2017 11:28 |  #1049

My rx1rii will sync up to 1/4000s. Leaf shutter.


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May 18, 2017 11:29 |  #1050

idkdc wrote in post #18357668 (external link)
Then you don't need unlimited x sync speed.

But I want to use fill flash at 1/2500ths of a second on Red-naped Sapsuckers, so I can freeze their wings as they fly at a downward angle out of their nest hole. . There is a lot of light on the area, but I don't like the shadows on the underside of the wing, and the angle I can shoot from is pretty fixed because of vegetation that is not allowed to be trimmed.

So how is it that I don't need high-speed synch?

My understanding of technology is in no way related to my photographic needs - there is no correlation between the technology that I need and my desire to understand it.

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