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Europe with just a wide angle zoom and short telephoto prime?

 
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May 18, 2017 12:18 |  #1

I'm going to be visiting Europe (Spain) later this summer and wanted some opinions on which lenses to bring. I want to travel as light as possible, but at the same time I don't go to Europe often so I want to bring "enough".

Planning to bring for sure:
5D2
16-35 f4
EOS M w/ 22mm and EF adapter (just in case the 5D fails)

Considering:
24-105mm f4L (v1)
50mm f1.8 STM
85mm f1.8

I'm thinking the 5D2 + 16-35 will be all I need most of the time. However, I'm sure there will be times I'll be wishing for a little more reach. The easy choice would be to bring the 24-105. However, it's relatively heavy compared to the primes, overlaps the 16-35, and isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. So I'm thinking the 50 and/or 85 might be a better option. Having both FF and crop cameras with me, the 50 would give me 50mm/80mm equivalent focal lengths, and the 85 would give me 85mm/135mm focal lengths.

So what would you have in your bag? Just bring the 24-105 to cover everything, or would you take a prime and have 50/80mm or 85/135mm focal lengths?


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May 26, 2017 22:07 |  #2

I travel to Europe extensively, and I have been to Spain twice. In my view light is the key, so I only bring one camera and one lens there. In my case it is the 5D4 (used to be the 6D until recently) and the 24-105.


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May 30, 2017 08:21 |  #3

Lbsimon wrote in post #18363890 (external link)
I travel to Europe extensively, and I have been to Spain twice. In my view light is the key, so I only bring one camera and one lens there. In my case it is the 5D4 (used to be the 6D until recently) and the 24-105.

Thanks for the response. The 24-105 is usually the sole lens I travel with. For this trip I'm bringing the wide angle for capturing the inside of the castles and cathedrals. But maybe I'll just throw the 24-105 in as a second lens and be done with it.


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May 30, 2017 08:30 |  #4

Heya,

I'd roll the 16-35 and that's it.

The 16-35 isn't a small lens after all. So you're already lugging around a big beast of a setup.

Plus you're already taking a M+22 sidekick as a backup. That's more stuff to carry and takes up as much space as a small lens. Plus batteries (need more since they're pretty low capacity on the M). I'd probably just leave this at home and your backup is your phone or rent something if you had a catastrophic failure.

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May 30, 2017 08:45 |  #5

FWIW, just to give you an indication of what I found to be the most useful when walking around, the lenses I used most for full frame film PJ work were the 20mm, 105mm, 50mm, & 35mm in that order. Very occasionally, the 200mm & 600mm. Most of the time I only carried the 20 & 105 for non-race venues.


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May 30, 2017 09:12 |  #6

If it were me I would take the 16-35 and 24-105 and leave the M and the primes at home. I would have the 24-105 on most of the time and use the 16-35 when needed.


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May 30, 2017 09:27 |  #7

Everyone's needs and tastes are different, making it difficult to tell you simply what works for each one of us.


  1. I can tell you that in countless trips to Europe for business and pleasure, I have found that on 135 format 28mm simply is not 'wide enough' for me, and I found that if I travelled even with 24mm (as my ONLY FL), I was happy!
  2. The other thing I can tell you is that (based upon travel experiences accumulated over 25 years with film cameras and only ISO 400 as the fastest film, it was important to have fast max apertures, because in so many places you cannot use flash or set a tripod!


Digital makes things a bit easier in some ways, but worse in other ways
Where I might use f/2 WA fixed FL with ISO 400 film 25 years ago, today the zooms predominate with f/2.8, or f/4 owned by so many and most digital cameras easily go to ISO 1600 without too much objectionable 'grain' (which i think the average photographer is simply too sensitive to the issue...but I grew up with ISO 400 film grain!)...but f/2 ISO 400 is no different than f/4 ISO 1600! It isn't until you get a camera from the past 2-3 years or so, with their 5-digital and even 6-digital ISOs that relief from the need for a fast aperture lens is diminished signficantly.

So what I ended up carrying in my Olympus OM bag was a 24mm f/2 lens, for less frequent indoor need I had 20mm f/2, and then a 35-70mm f/3.6 zoom
Today, shooting APS-C body, I have an 11-16mm f/2.8, with 17-55mm f/2.8 or 28-75mm f/2.8, a 100mm f/2 (but which often stays at home), and a 1.4x teleconvertor

I used to feel the 'need' for 135mm f/2.8 very long ago in my film days, and I think a zoom is so often a usual first 'additional lens' for so many hobbyists. I now take my 70-200mm zoom on relatively FEW occasions and virtually never when flying is in the itinerary. In travel with the dSLR I usually find that the more compact 100mm f/2 + teleconvertor affords long FL but with a lot less conspicuousness ...I don't need the thieves patrolling the high tourist traffic areas to be targeting me because my long white lens makes me look like I have a sign "tourist...a mark for theft opportunity!" The 28-75 zoom with 1.4x convertor provides me with an AOV equivalent to 168mm on FF, and that is plenty fine for me for most needs.

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May 30, 2017 10:10 |  #8

On a recent trip to Portugal, I had more lenses available (I was mostly vacationing but also photographing an event), but I did pretty much everything with the equivalent of a 24/1.4 and a 50/1.4.

A wide angle you are comfortable with is valuable, especially in tight streets, amazing interiors and capturing a subject in an impressive context. Expanses of old streets, walls and castles with interesting subjects. Street scenes with layers of activity and context.

A normal lens is great for general use and can still be used for a headshot, which a wider lens generally cannot do well.

A fast lens is useful for lower light and for situations where you want an image but the background is better rendered a bit less distracting.

From your choices, I would take the 16-35 for the wide end and would probably use this as long as there was enough light. I would also take the 50 for when there is less light or for when I wanted to go light (and leave the other lens at the hotel) so I could enjoy the experience without being weighted with gear.


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May 30, 2017 13:13 |  #9

mikepj wrote in post #18366439 (external link)
Thanks for the response. The 24-105 is usually the sole lens I travel with. For this trip I'm bringing the wide angle for capturing the inside of the castles and cathedrals. But maybe I'll just throw the 24-105 in as a second lens and be done with it.

Actually, for my next trip to Europe I am thinking of taking an ultrawide too, have not decided yet. But I know that it will be used only occasionally.


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May 31, 2017 19:21 |  #10

Honestly, I'll get 18-55 IS for M, little EOS TTL flash and this should be it. This is from person perceptive who traveled in Europe, England and took pictures as well. :-)


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May 31, 2017 20:17 |  #11

kf095 wrote in post #18367865 (external link)
Honestly, I'll get 18-55 IS for M, little EOS TTL flash and this should be it. This is from person perceptive who traveled in Europe, England and took pictures as well. :-)

Where did you use the flash? I am asking because in most/all museums they are banned, and they are useless inside big buildings.


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May 31, 2017 22:03 |  #12

MalVeauX wrote in post #18366447 (external link)
I'd roll the 16-35 and that's it.

:-) It’s tempting, because I really think that 95% of my shots are going to be on that 16-35mm. On an ordinary trip I’d probably just go with that pair and leave everything else at home.

bpalermini wrote in post #18366477 (external link)
If it were me I would take the 16-35 and 24-105 and leave the M and the primes at home. I would have the 24-105 on most of the time and use the 16-35 when needed.

Thanks. We’re staying with family while we are there, so I’m planning to leave the EOS M at their house most of the time. I just want to have it in case my other gear breaks. It’s pretty light and manageable to get there and back.

Wilt wrote in post #18366485 (external link)
Everyone's needs and tastes are different, making it difficult to tell you simply what works for each one of us.

Thanks for that advice. I think 24mm would probably be my most-used focal length too, with 35mm coming in at a close second. I used a 17-55mm on a crop body for a few years, and that is such a great setup for travel. Not too heavy, and a nice wide aperture with IS. I agree that traveling with a 70-200 is overkill. I have one that I use for paid gigs, but otherwise I don’t like carrying it around. Also like being more discrete while doing street photography.

F2Bthere wrote in post #18366507 (external link)
On a recent trip to Portugal, I had more lenses available (I was mostly vacationing but also photographing an event), but I did pretty much everything with the equivalent of a 24/1.4 and a 50/1.4.

A 24/1.4 sounds amazing for travel. Thanks for the feedback on the 50 too. The 50 STM is pretty small and light as a feather, so that might be worth stuffing in my bag for the days I want to go extra light. Agree that normal focal lengths are great for portraits too.

kf095 wrote in post #18367865 (external link)
Honestly, I'll get 18-55 IS for M, little EOS TTL flash and this should be it. This is from person perceptive who traveled in Europe, England and took pictures as well. :-)

Seriously… Would love to go that route but with just having an original EOS M, it would drive me nuts shooting on that all the time on a trip like this. The focusing and startup/shutdown times are just too laggy. Put me behind an EOS M5 with a 11-22, 18-55, and 22 f2 and I would be a happy clam though.


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May 31, 2017 22:08 |  #13

Lbsimon wrote in post #18367898 (external link)
Where did you use the flash? I am asking because in most/all museums they are banned, and they are useless inside big buildings.

I wouldn't use a flash for landscape or street photography, but for portraits it could come in handy. I'm not planning to carry a larger flash, but it's pretty easy to throw my 90EX in the bag.


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