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400 DO II vs. 500 f/4 II

 
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Jun 21, 2017 17:28 |  #121

Back from a "test and tune" session with the 500 II, where I did some MFA with my 5D4 and 80D, and the 1.4/2.0 extenders. Nothing needed anymore than +/-3 points of MFA, which is pretty nice!

Here's some initial comparisons with the 400 DO II:

The 500 f/4 II is noticeably more bulky. After an hour or two of messing about, it gets heavier for sure, but what fatigues me the most is the girth. I have to support the thicker lens with a more open hand compared to the skinny-mini DO II. I'm sure I'd grow to accustomed to this after a while, and I need to get back in the gym anyway.

Maneuverability: not as swingable as the DO II. This thing requires a deliberate action to get it on target. Once on target, the IS is pretty good with assisting, but keeping target under AF point is a little more difficult than the DO II. With good support though, not a problem.


AF speed (bare lens vs. bare lens): almost a wash, though I have to give a slight, slight edge to the DO. Not enough to make a difference in anything I do.

1.4xIII: very quick for both lenses, but I don't think I can make a full determination as yet.

2.0xIII: expectedly slow on both lenses, any interference from things like twigs, all bets are off. On the 80D, you get one center point, and it's dicey. 5D4 is better with this TC.

IQ comparisons:

5D4:
surprisingly, IQ-wise I don't feel that the 400 DO and 5D4 make as good of a combo as the 400 DO + 80D. With the 500 II though, the 5D4 demonstrates that same crispy, detailed look that the DO II can produce on my 80D. I'm not anywhere near ready to proclaim which lens is better, but for now I'm just blown away by the IQ the 5D4+500 is capable of:

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80D: just as good here as with the DO II. I need to get more time with this combo before making a final determination, but I think I am good to go:

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EDIT: the 80D works well with the 500:


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Jun 21, 2017 17:33 as a reply to MatthewK's post |  #122

To my eye, the noise seems to be way higher with the 400 DO/80D combination. 5Div with 500mm F/4 is incredibly smooth.

But the ISO difference may explain a lot of that.


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Jun 21, 2017 17:54 as a reply to DaviSto's post |  #123

Yeah, the ISO is pumped on the 80D shot, and it wasn't shot as in nice as light (in the woods with dappled sun coming through). The cardinal was in soft, cloud diffused sunlight. I wish I would have taken a pic with the 80D here too :(

The detail is still there in the 80D shot, but as you said, it's not as nice as the 5D4 pic :)


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Jun 21, 2017 18:48 |  #124

The first picture is really good. Like, insanely good. The detail on that beak is fantastic.


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Jun 21, 2017 19:44 as a reply to LonelyBoy's post |  #125

Yeah, so far the 5D4 + bare 500 f/4 II are a cracking pair. When it comes to focal length requirements though, it falls a little short of the 80D/1.4x/400mm that I've grown to love for birding. I'll probably end up using the 80D + 500, depending on how much I'm cropping in.

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Jun 21, 2017 19:48 |  #126

MatthewK wrote in post #18383862 (external link)
Yeah, so far the 5D4 + bare 500 f/4 II are a cracking pair. When it comes to focal length requirements though, it falls a little short of the 80D/1.4x/400mm that I've grown to love for birding. I'll probably end up using the 80D + 500, depending on how much I'm cropping in.

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Heck ... it's nice choices that you are being forced to make! Make sure you take great pictures. :-)


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Jun 21, 2017 20:54 |  #127

Don't let Matthew be the only one enjoying the 500ISii.
Mine is going on the market soon.
Wanted to mention it here first before it hits FredMiranda's buy/sell thread this weekend.
Why? I just have to face my age/weight reality. It's a wonderful lens but due to its
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Jun 21, 2017 22:50 |  #128

I have been very happy with the 100-400II and 500II together. With converters you get almost all the reach you could want. (I know you can never have as much reach as you want sometimes.)


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Jun 22, 2017 02:59 |  #129

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #18383909 (external link)
Don't let Matthew be the only one enjoying the 500ISii.
Mine is going on the market soon.
Wanted to mention it here first before it hits FredMiranda's buy/sell thread this weekend.
Why? I just have to face my age/weight reality. It's a wonderful lens but due to its
size I've only enjoyed it once at Conowingo and on one trip to Florida. It is my least used
long lens.
If any are interested beam me a PM.

Shame that little ditch called the Pacific is in the way otherwise I would be very interested !!!


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Jun 22, 2017 04:20 |  #130

graham121 wrote in post #18384063 (external link)
Shame that little ditch called the Pacific is in the way otherwise I would be very interested !!!

It didn't stop me...


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Jun 22, 2017 05:55 |  #131

I'm just lucky to still have the 400DOii. It will be the last 'heavy' to go.
I can't imagine what shipping to the UK would be but there might be a price advantage
to buying there? Just if you get one make sure you can wield the sucker....after a while it
gets heavier and heavier ;)


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Jun 22, 2017 09:10 |  #132

Tapeman wrote in post #18383983 (external link)
I have been very happy with the 100-400II and 500II together. With converters you get almost all the reach you could want. (I know you can never have as much reach as you want sometimes.)

I am of the same mindset, that my 100-400II will pair nicely with the 500II. With the 400 DO II, I don't like that I have the the same max focal length (and similar IQ) as with the zoom. I thought I'd decided that the DO and 100-400 could peacefully coexist, but having a new capability/focal length makes more sense to me.

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #18383909 (external link)
Don't let Matthew be the only one enjoying the 500ISii.
Mine is going on the market soon.
Wanted to mention it here first before it hits FredMiranda's buy/sell thread this weekend.
Why? I just have to face my age/weight reality. It's a wonderful lens but due to its
size I've only enjoyed it once at Conowingo and on one trip to Florida. It is my least used
long lens.
If any are interested beam me a PM.

Glad that you have the 400 DO to keep you in the game :)

Are you going to Conowingo this Fall?


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Jun 22, 2017 10:12 |  #133

DaviSto wrote in post #18383797 (external link)
To my eye, the noise seems to be way higher with the 400 DO/80D combination. 5Div with 500mm F/4 is incredibly smooth.

But the ISO difference may explain a lot of that.

ISO 320 vs. ISO 3200, so no surprise really.


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Jun 22, 2017 10:27 as a reply to CyberDyneSystems's post |  #134

I'll get as better shot tonight. I shouldn't have used a noisy photo...

EDIT:

So I'm finding the 80D performs better with the 400 DO II in terms of AF speed and accuracy, while the 5D4 kicks butt on the 500II. I managed to get a decent few shots with the 80D, but the light was kinda crap:

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Jun 22, 2017 13:20 |  #135

I got a 2nd 7D2 to use on the 500/4 II. Now I carry one 7D2 with the 100-400 II and another with the 500/4 II. It gives me a lot of flexibility in shooting perched and flying birds.


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