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Jun 26, 2017 00:31 |  #1

So after going back and forth between selling my t6i or not, I figured I'd do the right thing and invest in some good glass first. I mainly shoot landscapes but also travel A LOT, and would like to start off with a quality general purpose lens. I'm considering the canon 24-70 f4 IS or the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC. I'm leaning towards the canon, but f2.8 is very appealing. Looking for some suggestions from you guys if anyone has any experience with either of these?

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Jun 26, 2017 00:55 |  #2

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So after going back and forth between selling my t6i or not, I figured I'd do the right thing and invest in some good glass first. I mainly shoot landscapes but also travel A LOT, and would like to start off with a quality general purpose lens. I'm considering the canon 24-70 f4 IS or the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC. I'm leaning towards the canon, but f2.8 is very appealing. Looking for some suggestions from you guys if anyone has any experience with either of these?

Current lenses I have are:
50mm 1.8
24mm pancake f2.8
18-55 Kit lens
18-135 kit lens.

Are your normal zoom lenses the STM variety? The 18-55mm STM is very sharp. The 18-135mm STM is too, and has a very versatile zoom range.

For some reason, lots of people buy crop frame cameras and then want to put full frame normal zooms on them. I don't know why - FF normal zooms are generally more expensive and heavier, have less of a zoom range, and don't have wide angle on your T6i. Don't be influenced by the term "kit", or by a designation like "L". Instead, look carefully at what the lens can deliver for you.

If you need a large aperture, then the Tamron might be the right lens for you. Otherwise, I would stick with the lenses that were designed for your camera.


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Jun 26, 2017 02:12 |  #3

The 18-55 STM is a very good lens. Its biggest problems are that it does not have a red ring, and it sells for $80, used. Focus speed, IS, focal length range, and IQ are all just fine.

I can't speak to the 24-70 f4L, but I had the 24-70 VC. I was not impressed by the focal length range, and for the life of me cannot figure out the fascination with f/2.8 zooms - on any camera format. My goto zooms for general stuff on my crop body (80D) are the 18-55 STM, and the 24-105 STM. The 18-135 STM appears to be a nice lens for the money. The biggest complaint from reviewers is vignetting. The 24-105 STM does not vignette on crop cameras.


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Jun 26, 2017 02:15 |  #4

why not get one of the crop specific f2.8 stabilized lenses...there's a tamron, sigma, or canon offering...or get crazy and go for the sigma 18-35f1.8...i don't really see the 24-70f4IS offering you much more than your 18-135mm...you'd pick up 2/3 of a stop between 35-70mm...not really worth the extra $$$ if you ask me


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Jun 26, 2017 02:18 |  #5

DreDaze wrote in post #18387075 (external link)
why not get one of the crop specific f2.8 stabilized lenses...there's a tamron, sigma, or canon offering...or get crazy and go for the sigma 18-35f1.8...i don't really see the 24-70f4IS offering you much more than your 18-135mm...you'd pick up 2/3 of a stop between 35-70mm...not really worth the extra $$$ if you ask me

Funny, that is my opinion of f/2.8 zooms.


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Jun 26, 2017 02:23 |  #6

Bassat wrote in post #18387076 (external link)
Funny, that is my opinion of f/2.8 zooms.

i don't have one either...but if someone has a desire to move up from the STM lenses...where can they really go? at least the f2.8 zooms would give 2 stops difference at some point compared to the current zoom lenses


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Jun 26, 2017 02:42 |  #7

DreDaze wrote in post #18387080 (external link)
i don't have one either...but if someone has a desire to move up from the STM lenses...where can they really go? at least the f2.8 zooms would give 2 stops difference at some point compared to the current zoom lenses

I know that f/2.8 zooms are very popular items to aspire to. Most of them are two stops faster for at least some part of the range. All well and good, if lugging a large, heavy, expensive, limited range zoom lens around with you ALL THE TIME works for you. I've tried them; they don't work for me. I use my 6D for most of my shooting (recreational hobbyist, nothing paid). My zooms are: Σ12-24, 17-40, 24-105 STM, 70-200 f4L IS, 100-400L. Sometimes I'd like more aperture than my zooms provide. I'd rather mount a fast prime when I need a large aperture than lug around an f/2.8 zoom all the time, just so I can have access to a middle of the road aperture.

On the 80D, I am usually doing outdoor daytime sports/athletics (70-200) which does not require f/2.8, or I am indoors working with flash, shooting at f/5.6 to f/8 (18-55).

I've had 3 (11-20, 24-70, 70-200) f/2.8 zooms. They just didn't work for me.


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Jun 26, 2017 03:31 |  #8

I guess my biggest gripe is that I have the first gen 18-135.. maybe it's the one I have? But the chromatic aberasion is so bad I almost can't fix it in post. I also realize my prime lenses will be sharper being primes but man that thing is soft. All things considered I guess it isn't the worst lens ever but was just hoping for a bit better Quality lens.




  
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Jun 26, 2017 03:42 as a reply to  @ ericz34's post |  #9

The 18-135 STM and 24-105 STM would both be good upgrades. The 18-135 STM is (reviewed to be) much better at the long end. I already had the 24-105 STM when I bought my 80D. It is quite good, and doesn't suffer from vignetting on the 80D; the 18-135 STM does. It is smaller/lighter/cheape​r/optically superior to the 24-105L, but is not weather-sealed.

I had the original 18-135. I didn't think much of it, either.


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Jun 26, 2017 08:24 |  #10

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I know that f/2.8 zooms are very popular items to aspire to. Most of them are two stops faster for at least some part of the range. All well and good, if lugging a large, heavy, expensive, limited range zoom lens around with you ALL THE TIME works for you. I've tried them; they don't work for me. I use my 6D for most of my shooting (recreational hobbyist, nothing paid). My zooms are: Σ12-24, 17-40, 24-105 STM, 70-200 f4L IS, 100-400L. Sometimes I'd like more aperture than my zooms provide. I'd rather mount a fast prime when I need a large aperture than lug around an f/2.8 zoom all the time, just so I can have access to a middle of the road aperture.

With the exception of my 17-50/2.8 which isn't all that heavy being a crop lens and one that isn't built like a Canon L, I have pretty much gone with the f4 zoom paired with faster prime theory too. However there are times I find I am carrying more weigh in the bag this way at times. I might grab my 70-200/4, 85/1.8 and 135/2 which together weigh more than a 70-200/2.8 II and I still don't have 200/2.8 available and even if I bought a 200/2.8 II, which would make the bag even heavier, it still wouldn't be stabilized at 200/2.8.

And as far as shooting outdoor sports where you don't need the aperture for shutter speed, I would still like the aperture for more background separation. Having soccer mom still in recognizable focus behind my kid kicking the ball takes away from the picture. I often shoot with my 1.8 and 2.0 primes for soccer so I can blur soccer mom out even though using the primes seriously takes away from the convenience of using a zoom. I would be lying if I said there weren't times I wish I had a 70-200/2.8 in addition to the f4 IS one I have now. I am not sure what I will do as far as upgrades in the future, but I don't see myself justifying having both 2.8 and f4 or slower zooms at the same time: its just too much money to invest for my hobby to do that.


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Jun 26, 2017 09:03 |  #11

I have the 18-135 IS STM and find it great for a daily walk around lens. It has a close MFD so you can shoot small objects fairly close (close enough that I use it for 3D printed items in a light tent), and also has more reach than many other standard zooms. It's kind of slow at f/3.5 max, but the IS helps in lower light situations and you can always use a faster prime for situations you know you'll need more light or want to blur the background more.

Personally I'm upgrading to the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 Art and will carry that, the Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 Art, and either the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 or Canon 55-250mm STM depending on if I need width or reach for daily carry lenses.

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Jun 26, 2017 19:15 |  #12

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Don't be influenced by the term "kit", or by a designation like "L". Instead, look carefully at what the lens can deliver for you.

So you're saying this isn't necessarily any better than the regular stuff?


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Jun 26, 2017 23:12 |  #13

ericz34 wrote in post #18387053 (external link)
I mainly shoot landscapes but also travel A LOT, and would like to start off with a quality general purpose lens.

If you want a general purpose lens because you want to travel compact and light, then the actual solution is ditching your reflex camera and go mirrorless with a couple nice small primes.
Keep in mind that reflex wides will always be huge and heavy because of design restrictions.


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Jun 27, 2017 10:44 |  #14

Bassat wrote in post #18387085 (external link)
I know that f/2.8 zooms are very popular items to aspire to. Most of them are two stops faster for at least some part of the range. All well and good, if lugging a large, heavy, expensive, limited range zoom lens around with you ALL THE TIME works for you. I've tried them; they don't work for me. I use my 6D for most of my shooting (recreational hobbyist, nothing paid). My zooms are: Σ12-24, 17-40, 24-105 STM, 70-200 f4L IS, 100-400L. Sometimes I'd like more aperture than my zooms provide. I'd rather mount a fast prime when I need a large aperture than lug around an f/2.8 zoom all the time, just so I can have access to a middle of the road aperture.

On the 80D, I am usually doing outdoor daytime sports/athletics (70-200) which does not require f/2.8, or I am indoors working with flash, shooting at f/5.6 to f/8 (18-55).

I've had 3 (11-20, 24-70, 70-200) f/2.8 zooms. They just didn't work for me.

All depends on your uses - I use my 2.8 zooms on outdoor athletics, but triathlons, which start in the pre-dawn where 2.8 is very useful, and even mild zooming is very handy because of trying to stay out of everyone's way.


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Jun 27, 2017 10:59 |  #15

Archibald wrote in post #18387060 (external link)
Are your normal zoom lenses the STM variety? The 18-55mm STM is very sharp. The 18-135mm STM is too, and has a very versatile zoom range.

For some reason, lots of people buy crop frame cameras and then want to put full frame normal zooms on them. I don't know why - FF normal zooms are generally more expensive and heavier, have less of a zoom range, and don't have wide angle on your T6i. Don't be influenced by the term "kit", or by a designation like "L". Instead, look carefully at what the lens can deliver for you.

Plus a million. I really don't understand why people give up the major benefit of a crop system by ignoring those lenses.

A lens that should be on your list is the 18-35 f/1.8 Sigma, though you really need to figure out what focal lengths you want to cover and what your aperture needs are.




  
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