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Jun 30, 2017 02:05 |  #241

DreDaze wrote in post #18390523 (external link)
i can't see why it would...


1Dx owners wanting to go small this time around(not doing pro work anymore??idk) and waited to purchase a 5d4 to see if the 6d2 would be enough for them.

So basically, will we see a rise in the # of 1Dx hitting the used market as we get through summer -> fall.

That could drive the used price down? I'll sell my 7d2 for a 1Dx and then pick up the 6d2 next year.


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Jun 30, 2017 02:05 |  #242

TheRealOlf wrote in post #18390514 (external link)
Nice shot, this shot also address one of my biggest concerns.
Will the 6DII have sufficient autofocus coverage for handheld (for me DPAF handheld feels like using a point and shoot actually) shooting 85 1.4 primes with at least an acceptible level of confidence.
Would the 5DIII then still be the better choice, however maybe slightly back on ISO performance and WIFI, GPS and so on..

The 6D is pretty good with fast primes. In low light I use a YN622C-TX for AF assist if the camera can't get a lock. Focus and recompose is challenging at f2 and wider, I can't keep the sensor parallel to the subject. I get better results keeping an AF point on the subject and cropping in LR if needed. The 6D2 should be an improvement.

I got anxious waiting for the 6D2 late last year and picked up a clearance 5D3 for $150 CAD more than the 6D2 is now. 6D images are slightly less noisy and a bit sharper at high ISO than the 5D3. Nothing that can't be fixed in post. I miss GPS on the 5D3.

5D3 AF vs 6D, no contest.

85mm is a nice FL for the 6D. It's possible to get a decent composition in camera with the 11 AF points both vertically and horizontally on 1/2 - 3/4 length portraits. The 6D2 will be an improvement.

If I had to choose at this point I'd seriously look at the 6D2 once the price drops. It narrows the AF gap and should have very capable sensor. 26MP is more than enough to tolerate cropping for composition.

At the risk of going off topic, if you're not heavily invested in Canon it might also be interesting to see what Nikon has coming down the pipe. A D610/D750 successor could be worth looking at.

The other thing is, if you're mainly focused on composition, don't discount APS-C bodies. The 7D2 has exceptional compositional flexibility. Built like a tank & has everything but WIFI and a flippy screen. The sensor is pretty darn good up to ISO 3200 *if* you feed it lots of light. The 7D2 does not like to be photon deprived.

Nikon's D500 knocks it out of the park on both sensor and AF performance.

APS-C and FF aren't as much of an apples/oranges comparison as they once were.

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Jun 30, 2017 02:23 |  #243

Ah-keong wrote in post #18390541 (external link)
I think the 80D with good ART glass (18-35mm, 50-100mm) would have similar results with a 6D2 with the kit 24-105mm f/4 glass and maybe cost lower?

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Ahh. You saw Tony Northrup's video review. Not sure many here will agree with his view on the 80D versus the 6D II..


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Jun 30, 2017 02:25 |  #244

aezoss wrote in post #18390551 (external link)
The 6D is pretty good with fast primes. In low light I use a YN622C-TX for AF assist if the camera can't get a lock. Focus and recompose is challenging at f2 and wider, I can't keep the sensor parallel to the subject. I get better results keeping an AF point on the subject and cropping in LR if needed. The 6D2 should be an improvement.

I got anxious waiting for the 6D2 late last year and picked up a clearance 5D3 for $150 CAD more than the 6D2 is now. 6D images are slightly less noisy and a bit sharper at high ISO than the 5D3. Nothing that can't be fixed in post. I miss GPS on the 5D3.

5D3 AF vs 6D, no contest.

85mm is a nice FL for the 6D. It's possible to get a decent composition in camera with the 11 AF points both vertically and horizontally on 1/2 - 3/4 length portraits. The 6D2 will be an improvement.

If I had to choose at this point I'd seriously look at the 6D2 once the price drops. It narrows the AF gap and should have very capable sensor. 26MP is more than enough to tolerate cropping for composition.

At the risk of going off topic, if you're not heavily invested in Canon it might also be interesting to see what Nikon has coming down the pipe. A D610/D750 successor could be worth looking at.

The other thing is, if you're mainly focused on composition, don't discount APS-C bodies. The 7D2 has exceptional compositional flexibility. Built like a tank & has everything but WIFI and a flippy screen. The sensor is pretty darn good up to ISO 3200 *if* you feed it lots of light. The 7D2 does not like to be photon deprived.

Nikon's D500 knocks it out of the park on both sensor and AF performance.

APS-C and FF aren't as much of an apples/oranges comparison as they once were.

Lee

I'd suggest this as more than just $0.02 :-)
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Jun 30, 2017 03:09 |  #245

ma11rats wrote in post #18390550 (external link)
1Dx owners wanting to go small this time around(not doing pro work anymore??idk) and waited to purchase a 5d4 to see if the 6d2 would be enough for them.

So basically, will we see a rise in the # of 1Dx hitting the used market as we get through summer -> fall.

That could drive the used price down? I'll sell my 7d2 for a 1Dx and then pick up the 6d2 next year.

i think for the large majority of 1dX owners this 6DII isn't really on their radar...i doubt anyone is selling a 1dx so they can buy this new 6d...will there be more 1dx's for sale in the future...probably...bu​t i don't think this camera has anything to do with that...also...you're not the only one that would be willing to sell your 7DII to get a 1DX...hence why the price will remain high


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Jun 30, 2017 05:47 as a reply to post 18390046 |  #246

But the lower value, 3 year old 7d MKII has dual card slots...hmmm


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Jun 30, 2017 06:12 |  #247

ma11rats wrote in post #18390363 (external link)
Has anyone seen an imposed AF point screen layover with the original 11 and the new 45?

They honestly couldn't go anywhere but UP on the AF front. Anything less would have been totally embarrassing..As a 6d owner, outside of the center point, the rest of the AF is mostly worthless..so yeah,


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Jun 30, 2017 06:44 as a reply to post 18389537 |  #248

Don't watch those videos anymore. The fact they had a bloke taking the night sky whilst leaving his headlamp on kinda put me off the rest :)


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Jun 30, 2017 06:51 |  #249

So we have a full frame body, can shoot nearly as fast as the 5D4, will no doubt have the same IQ as the 5D4, has 30 more AF points than the predecessor, some digital IS in body thing, dual pixel focus for live view and video and it cost half as much as the 5D4 did at release? What is not to like? :(


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Jun 30, 2017 07:09 |  #250

I've been mostly reading along. This thread seems mostly composed of those who would never buy the camera anyway, and those who accept it for what it is, but simply aren't interested.

And now for something a bit different, the perspective of a current 6D user, who thinks the 6D is great camera.

I got my 6D shortly after it was released. Keeping in mind the camera's limitations, it is the right Canon body for me. Really good IQ, easy-to-use controls, dead accurate (crippled) auto-focus, smaller/lighter/cheape​r than the 5D series. The 1/4000 and 1/180 limitations have never caused me any problems. That said, the 6D is not much of an AI-Servo camera. That is its biggest limitation for me.

After a few conniption fits with finding the right AI-Servo camera for me, I ended up with an 80D. A full frame 80D would be the right camera for me. Though the pixel density is a bit much for shooting at f/11-16 with my wide stuff. I like the 6D's DLA of f/10.5.

The 6DII has all the limitations of the 6D, except the crippled AF. Before this body was released, my only path to having just one camera was the 5D4. Making the move from 6D+80D to 5D4 would cost me about $1700 net, and require learning new controls. Making the move to the new 6D2 would cost me only about $400-500, and I get the controls I am used to.

All of this begs the question: Why bother spending anything only to get all the features I already have? Now I just need to weigh the cost of upgrading two bodies to one body, with essentially no increase in features/abilities. The 6D2 certainly takes the 5D4 out of the picture. Still not sure about my need for the 6D2.


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Jun 30, 2017 07:28 as a reply to Bassat's post |  #251

Oh come on Tom---- ;-)a
As your Avatar shows the only things to shoot in Indiana are wind whipped corn stalks and slow tractors. Don't need much of a camera for that!!
As a recently retired guy on a more restricted income now I struggle with having to spend more effort justifying my purchases. You bet I want to upgrade my 6D to the Mark II! Yet my current camera is still more capable than I am of quality pictures. Yea the new model really does address some of my frustrations of the 6D - anti flicker, more and better focus points, flippy screen, increased resolution, etc.
I am positive I will make the jump but will wait for the price to drop slightly. Was really thinking of the new 5D model but the price is a real stumbling block so this new 6D will be my goal until the 90D comes out to replace our 60D.
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Jun 30, 2017 07:31 |  #252

I'm quite curious to see the quality of the LCD screen on the 6D2. I noticed it's only 1.04 million dots compared to the 1.62 on the 5D4/M5 which is a bit disappointing as I love the quality on the M5's LCD screen.

Does anyone know if the 0.58 million dots would make much of a visible difference?

Oh and to keep up with some of the others in the thread I should probably add, stupid Canon can't even make a decent camera for 2k!!! Preorder cancelled and I'm switching to every other brand available :p


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Jun 30, 2017 07:46 |  #253

Petie53 wrote in post #18390670 (external link)
Oh come on Tom---- ;-)a
As your Avatar shows the only things to shoot in Indiana are wind whipped corn stalks and slow tractors. Don't need much of a camera for that!!
As a recently retired guy on a more restricted income now I struggle with having to spend more effort justifying my purchases. You bet I want to upgrade my 6D to the Mark II! Yet my current camera is still more capable than I am of quality pictures. Yea the new model really does address some of my frustrations of the 6D - anti flicker, more and better focus points, flippy screen, increased resolution, etc.
I am positive I will make the jump but will wait for the price to drop slightly. Was really thinking of the new 5D model but the price is a real stumbling block so this new 6D will be my goal until the 90D comes out to replace our 60D.
Pete

Yep! For most stuff in Indiana, my 6D is completely adequate. Where it falls on its face is AI-Servo. The center point is really good, but it can't do the job by itself. The other 10 are just about useless: too few, too far apart, and linear (not cross) for effective servo use.

I am retired, and back to work, and yes I do find the 5D4 a bit expensive for a hobby/amateur shooter like myself. The 6D2 combines the best of my 6D (cost/size/controls/IQ​) with the best of my 80D (rear screen, DPAF, AI-Servo ability) into one camera. I'll probably end up with a 6D2 when they become available refurbished, but it won't be an upgrade to my current gear. It just gets me back to only one camera.

BTW, you may want to consider upgrading your 60D to an 80D. I've had mine about 8 months now. I had the 60D and found it to be a really good all-around aps-c camera. The 80D upgrades EVERYTHING about the 60D. Especially the AI-Servo auto-focus. If you do any live-view or video, the 80D will make your jaw drop, especially with STM glass.


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Jun 30, 2017 07:50 |  #254

Dlee13 wrote in post #18390672 (external link)
I'm quite curious to see the quality of the LCD screen on the 6D2. I noticed it's only 1.04 million dots compared to the 1.62 on the 5D4/M5 which is a bit disappointing as I love the quality on the M5's LCD screen.

Does anyone know if the 0.58 million dots would make much of a visible difference?

Oh and to keep up with some of the others in the thread I should probably add, stupid Canon can't even make a decent camera for 2k!!! Preorder cancelled and I'm switching to every other brand available :p

Go for it! I would ... obviously just another piece of crippled Canon junk ... Any other brand will do. And don't forget to keep us informed every single step of the way about how wonderful the experience is turning out to be. ;-)a




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Jun 30, 2017 07:56 |  #255

Mark0159 wrote in post #18390548 (external link)
Another video by canon
Canon EOS 6D Mark II: Autofocus at f/8


So you can only f8 focus using the 27 points with the 100-400 II and 2Xtc3 or the 200-400 with the 2xtc3.

All other f8 combos is center point only so 70-200/4 with a 2X or 500/4 with a 2X. Is this how the 5D4 and 80D work as well?

Personally I think that 2X TC's degrade the image too much at least with the more consumer friendly lenses like the 70-200/4 IS like I have so it wouldn't be an issue for me, but this seems kind of crappy that the f8 focusing is so limited by lens combinations.


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