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fordmondeo
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Jul 08, 2017 10:15 |  #3916

Perhaps it's a camera setting.
I have to say, the rendering of flat areas of colour is falling short of expectations.

Should I reset everything and let the camera sort out the technical stuff?

Anyone got any suggestions as to settings for this type of photography as i am back at the mach loop in a few weeks?
AF mode?
ISO?
VR Mode?
Exposure compensation?
Auto noise reduction, yes/no?

Anything else?


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Jul 08, 2017 13:11 |  #3917

fordmondeo wrote in post #18397067 (external link)
Perhaps it's a camera setting.
I have to say, the rendering of flat areas of colour is falling short of expectations.

Should I reset everything and let the camera sort out the technical stuff?

Anyone got any suggestions as to settings for this type of photography as i am back at the mach loop in a few weeks?
AF mode?
ISO?
VR Mode?
Exposure compensation?
Auto noise reduction, yes/no?

Anything else?

My opinion/assessment: Your 1.4x TC is not playing nicely at all with the 100-400 II lens you have/had. The plane should be MUCH sharper than the samples you've shared here. So micro adjustments would be highly recommended next time you head out to the loop.

For aviation photography, I will shoot either in M or Tv mode, but setting ISO to auto and let it rack the range. I wouldn't bother with 1/8000s. I find 1/2000s generally good enough to freeze jets, unless they decide to zoom by near sound barrier and that I'm having a terrible day at panning. But with 100-400 + 1.4x, you likely won't get much of a panning opportunity since I would imagine you just getting half the plane, if not only the cockpit as they make the bank.

IS set to mode 2.

Exposure comp I'd usually dial in +1/3, but if plane is up high against the bright sky, I'll go as high as +1.0 EC.

Auto noise reduction is a JPG thing so if that's all you shoot, then yes. Otherwise, I deal with my RAW files in LR, but I rarely dial in noise reduction until ISO 6400 or higher.


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Jul 08, 2017 13:53 as a reply to fordmondeo's post |  #3918

Past 2 years, I haven't had much time to head out to the airshows. The only one I made it out to was one that ended up being wet/rainy as the day went on. Made worse by the knowledge that the Saturday show (which I couldn't make due to work) was beautiful clear skies made my wet Sunday experience even less pleasurable. :lol:

These were also taken with the 100-400ii + 1.4iii TC.

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And this one looks like crap. But I'd say at least half of that noise/mottleness was actually rain. (I came out of the afternoon drenched.)

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Mark ­ A.
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Jul 08, 2017 15:54 |  #3919

ISO 4000
Most likely this was a jpeg SOOC.

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Jul 08, 2017 15:58 |  #3920

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Jul 08, 2017 16:16 |  #3921

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Jul 08, 2017 17:24 |  #3922

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Jul 08, 2017 22:29 |  #3923

fordmondeo wrote in post #18396875 (external link)
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Until my computer sorts itself out I'll post a jpeg which has had the exif removed.
This was shot at iso 2000.

The grey of the wing looks particularly mottled. Is this the best I can expect?

The lens was a 100-400 mk2.

It looks to me like the hill in the background is in sharper focus than the aircraft. If that is the case I guess some of the loss of detail might be the plane in front of the plane of sharpest focus


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Jul 08, 2017 23:07 |  #3924

Wow.... I can hardly wait until I can get mine.


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David ­ Stallard
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Jul 09, 2017 05:09 |  #3925

fordmondeo wrote in post #18396875 (external link)
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Until my computer sorts itself out I'll post a jpeg which has had the exif removed.
This was shot at iso 2000.

The grey of the wing looks particularly mottled. Is this the best I can expect?

The lens was a 100-400 mk2.

I would say that is far from the best you can expect - if that is jpeg straight out of the camera then I guess you need to adjust your settings,


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There are a few guys on farcebook who frequent the 'loop' and I have seen so truly outstanding work from them, take a bit of time - play with settings and you will be glad you bought it.

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Jul 09, 2017 08:51 |  #3926

David Stallard wrote in post #18397668 (external link)
I would say that is far from the best you can expect - if that is jpeg straight out of the camera then I guess you need to adjust your settings,

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There are a few guys on farcebook who frequent the 'loop' and I have seen so truly outstanding work from them, take a bit of time - play with settings and you will be glad you bought it.

.DAVID.

It's not a jpeg out of the camera.
I gave two other members copies of the original raw file to play with. They did not fair much better than me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with the camera. I'm just not seeing the clean results people say I should.

I have done a complete reset and am letting the camera do what it wants for a while. Still shooting raw though.


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Jul 09, 2017 10:15 |  #3927

Unfortunately I didn't accomplish what I wanted to do at the airshow yesterday. I went early to see other stuff, and I started feeling the effects of the sun and heat about an hour before the airshow. That happens to me occasionally, and I knew I had to leave. However, as I was leaving, I took some ISO 2000 shots of a few items that were plain colored.

After I got home, I remembered an airshow I did with the 1DX2 last August. It was the first airshow I had done in several years, and I did mess up some settings (I was shooting at f/25). I thought that might have resulted in high ISO. It did, and the second set of photos below does emulate what fordmondeo saw at the Loop.

This is the full photo at ISO 2000:

IMAGE: http://www.lj3.com/1dx2/noise_4.jpg

Here is a 100% crop with noise reduction and sharpening turned off. There is some noise in the shadows, but not much.

IMAGE: http://www.lj3.com/1dx2/noise_5.jpg

And this is the 100% crop with mild NR and sharpening.

IMAGE: http://www.lj3.com/1dx2/noise_6.jpg

From the airshow last August, this is the full photo:

IMAGE: http://www.lj3.com/1dx2/noise_1.jpg

This is the 100% crop with NR and sharpening turned off. The amount of noise compared to the truck is amazing. Something more than just ISO 2000 is happening, but I don't know what it is.

IMAGE: http://www.lj3.com/1dx2/noise_2.jpg

However, the noise cleaned up nicely in Lightroom:

IMAGE: http://www.lj3.com/1dx2/noise_3.jpg


My airshow settings (thanks to a friend who has shot airshows for years) use shutter priority mode with auto-ISO. I shoot helicopters at 1/40, propeller airplanes at 1/160, and jets at 1/2000. The camera takes care of aperture and ISO. I generally use spot metering. I use servo focusing, and I use the center 9 focus points. I don't have a favorite "case" in the servo settings. I've tried 1, 2, and 4, and I don't see any difference in my yield. I use high speed shooting at the full 14 fps.

This post shows some airplanes that were shot with the above settings.
http://photography-on-the.net ...showthread.php?p=18​355441

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Jul 09, 2017 11:03 |  #3928

Hey guys, try evaluative metering instead of spot, I found it gives slightly less noise especially at higher iso. Just a thought.

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Oh and I know it's difficult BUT try to stop viewing the files at 100% I have done a few A0 prints and trust me - you don't notice any noise when you are standing back looking at your work ;-)a


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Jul 09, 2017 14:13 |  #3929

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Jul 09, 2017 22:48 |  #3930

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But a nice problem to have. The Sigma 85 Art is simply an awesome awesome lens and really performs great on the 1Dx2.

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