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May 21, 2017 11:44 |  #106

waterrockets wrote in post #18358514 (external link)
Well, it will be a couple of weeks before I have time to pick keepers and process from 4500 images... (I shot action shots for our swim team last night -- lots of work)


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Omylanta! You've set yourself an almost herculean task!




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May 21, 2017 20:06 |  #107

waterrockets wrote in post #18358514 (external link)
Well, it will be a couple of weeks before I have time to pick keepers and process from 4500 images... (I shot action shots for our swim team last night -- lots of work)


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You almost have to shoot 4K and use frame grabs! Holy numbers!!


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May 22, 2017 16:44 |  #108

PhotogWannabe wrote in post #18359751 (external link)
Omylanta! You've set yourself an almost herculean task!

rejay14 wrote in post #18360052 (external link)
You almost have to shoot 4K and use frame grabs! Holy numbers!!

Yeah, it's a lot of work. I usually end up delivering about 400 images for 20 swimmers. I've gotten the lightroom workflow down though:
-library view, small thumbnails: select everything, rate "1," and filter 1 or above only. Then go through and make broad selections to rate "0," which filters them out
-library view, medium thumbnails: start at the end, and go backwards rating the "keepers" at a "2." Then filter to 2 and above only. (Going backwards because the later shots are often better for a given swimmer -- except the little kids who only have a couple good strokes in them).
-batch edit curves, exposure, clarity, noise/sharpening
-work backwards through them and setting the real keepers to a "3," multi-selecting any nearby images with the same lighting, then batch cropping and doing final edits -- skipping any image that's not awesome, then filtering to 3 and above

That gets through it pretty quickly, relatively speaking O_o. Decent way to pay for gear though, since this is otherwise just a hobby.


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May 22, 2017 19:55 |  #109

waterrockets wrote in post #18360672 (external link)
Yeah, it's a lot of work. I usually end up delivering about 400 images for 20 swimmers. I've gotten the lightroom workflow down though:
-library view, small thumbnails: select everything, rate "1," and filter 1 or above only. Then go through and make broad selections to rate "0," which filters them out
-library view, medium thumbnails: start at the end, and go backwards rating the "keepers" at a "2." Then filter to 2 and above only. (Going backwards because the later shots are often better for a given swimmer -- except the little kids who only have a couple good strokes in them).
-batch edit curves, exposure, clarity, noise/sharpening
-work backwards through them and setting the real keepers to a "3," multi-selecting any nearby images with the same lighting, then batch cropping and doing final edits -- skipping any image that's not awesome, then filtering to 3 and above

That gets through it pretty quickly, relatively speaking O_o. Decent way to pay for gear though, since this is otherwise just a hobby.

That's almost exactly how I do it :eek:


1DX Mark II, 5D Mark IV, 40D,Rebel XT :lol:, 70-200L 2.8 IS II, 100-400L IS II,24-105 II L, 100mmL 2.8 IS, 16-35L 2.8 II, 24-70 2.8L II, Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art, Sekonic 758DR, Pixma 9500 II, Pixma 9000 II, Think Tank Airport Accelerator v2.0, Canon 600EX-RT x 5, Profoto B1 Kit with too many modifiers http://...www.PrestigePhotoPro.c​om (external link) Portfolio (external link)
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May 22, 2017 22:30 as a reply to waterrockets's post |  #110

What you need to deliver has a tremendous impact on workflow. Those who shoot for a paper and need to submit only 15-20 photos can very quickly make selects and edits out of a 1,000 photo shoot in < 30 minutes. I'm usually shooting on contract for parents/boosters, a yearbook company (50 for them and the rest on spec for me) or purely spec, so I deal in volume. In this case, I suggest the following to speed up the workflow:

1) shoot less -- this is something I struggle with myself but holds the greatest promise to spending less time behind the computer

2) let Lightroom generate 1:1 previews before you sit down to work (or use PhotoMechanic instead)

3) get a second monitor -- I leave the 2nd monitor at 1:1 view to confirm focus (1st monitor is to view composition). This was by far the biggest contribution to speeding up my workflow as you really should be checking all of your images at 1:1.

4) if you have to submit a variety of photos and at least one of every athlete, learn how to use keywords -- I wrote an AutoHotKey script to allow me to keep my fingers on the numeric keypad when culling to enter jersey numbers, mark deletes, tag coaches and referees. The less the hand has to travel, the quicker the workflow will be.

The first part of my workflow takes about an hour for 5-600 photos (1/3 less time if skipping keywords) to:
a) judge composition (left monitor viewing full image),
b) check focus (100% view in 2nd monitor) ("Del" numeric key remapped to "x + next photo" to mark deletes)
c) add keyword (jersey number(s) or starting position) and
d) move to next photo and repeat

I used to pick the best 1 or 2 shots out of a 5 sequence series. I stopped worrying about it after selling a few complete sequences. If it is in focus and interesting, I keep it now.

If I am submitting for a yearbook, selections are made by using the keyword filter to pick a roughly equal number of photos for each athlete from the grid view, plus a variety of coaches, group and scene setting shots. This step takes 10-15 minutes at most.

Next step is adjustments (I try to minimize by getting it right in camera) and crop. If I was good in-camera, I can adjust/crop 400 photos in an hour. When I'm dealing with changing/challenging lighting conditions, this can drop to 200/hr.

I'm faster than some and not as fast as others, so I take my suggestions within the context provided in case any are of help to you.


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May 22, 2017 23:54 |  #111

Photomechanic is a huge time-saver too..


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Jun 09, 2017 12:13 |  #112

Your pictures are amazing! I have children on the swim team and trying to figure out what lens to buy! Thanks for sharing!




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Jun 12, 2017 07:55 |  #113

JeanHardman wrote in post #18374645 (external link)
Your pictures are amazing! I have children on the swim team and trying to figure out what lens to buy! Thanks for sharing!

I've really been enjoying the 100-400 L. It's a great range, and some of the kids only have one good butterfly stroke in them, so you have to get them from about 23 yards away to get that first launch out of the water -- 200mm is not enough. Even shooting lane 3 from the side, I find that over 300mm is helpful for those really tight splashy shots.


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Jun 12, 2017 08:41 |  #114

All done with the swim team action shots!

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Jun 12, 2017 08:50 |  #115

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Jun 14, 2017 00:38 |  #116

I really like this one. Thanks for sharing.


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Jun 17, 2017 16:33 as a reply to Kszok's post |  #117

Thanks!


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Jul 13, 2017 17:24 |  #118

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Jul 17, 2017 13:09 |  #119

Good series. Thanks for sharing.


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Jul 23, 2017 11:30 |  #120

Last weekend, out team held its home long course meet. Sunday morning provided some wonderful lighting for the first event-- girls 13 and over 100 meter butterfly prelims.

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