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EverydayGetaway
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Aug 06, 2017 22:37 |  #5101

F2Bthere wrote in post #18420932 (external link)
The 60mm produces a sweet image.

There are only three down-sides.

1. Slower focus (you have already decided it is good enough). Check

2. Slower aperture at f2.4.

3. The lens moves in and out as it is focusing. If it is confused and goes to super-close focus, it gets a lot longer. I find this potentially distracting for subjects.

If these are ok with you, get it. It is a great lens.

Not to mention it does macro down to 1:2.

Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards getting it. Right now my go-to lightweight multi-lens kit is my X-Pro2, 18mm, 35mm and adapted 50-58mm prime. I'm thinking the 60mm will make a nice replacement for the vintage lens with macro as an added bonus.

I also found out recently about it being able to use the same hood as my 18 and 35mm and that's definitely a plus to me, tried it in the store and it works fine (though I doubt how much it'll actually prevent flare).


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Aug 07, 2017 00:32 as a reply to EverydayGetaway's post |  #5102

I did not know the bit about the hood. It will probably help against flare, depending on the angle of the light source.

Interestingly, the 18/2, 35/1.4 and 60/2.4 are the original trinity, the three lenses initially released with the Xpro1.


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Aug 07, 2017 03:08 |  #5103

Hazy skies: Dense smoke from the B.C. wildfires has prompted air advisories in Metro Vancouver.

This has got to one of the worst we've seen!

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Aug 07, 2017 13:29 |  #5104

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18420938 (external link)
Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards getting it. Right now my go-to lightweight multi-lens kit is my X-Pro2, 18mm, 35mm and adapted 50-58mm prime. I'm thinking the 60mm will make a nice replacement for the vintage lens with macro as an added bonus.

I also found out recently about it being able to use the same hood as my 18 and 35mm and that's definitely a plus to me, tried it in the store and it works fine (though I doubt how much it'll actually prevent flare).

Is there much documentation on the 60mm issues on manual AF ring? I've read some issues people were experiencing due to no engagement as you spin the ring.

The 50mm will still give you enough compression and nice bokeh. I think the AF speed is something to appreciate.

I had the opportunity to buy a virtually brand new seldom used 60mm. Had to turn down that offer as my application was for creamy bokeh (when necessary). The option to blow out the background sometimes is critical for me. I can always stop down as an option. In the Fuji world I really have no alternative but the 56mm prime (not easy to find used in my area).

Cater to your exact needs with no compromise. I'd rather be patient and selectively choose exactly what I "need" with no buyers remorse down the road. $1456 CDN taxes in for the 56mm is painful compared to what USA prices are for US folks.


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Aug 07, 2017 14:59 |  #5105

AlanU wrote in post #18421411 (external link)
Is there much documentation on the 60mm issues on manual AF ring? I've read some issues people were experiencing due to no engagement as you spin the ring.

The 50mm will still give you enough compression and nice bokeh. I think the AF speed is something to appreciate.

I had the opportunity to buy a virtually brand new seldom used 60mm. Had to turn down that offer as my application was for creamy bokeh (when necessary). The option to blow out the background sometimes is critical for me. I can always stop down as an option. In the Fuji world I really have no alternative but the 56mm prime (not easy to find used in my area).

Cater to your exact needs with no compromise. I'd rather be patient and selectively choose exactly what I "need" with no buyers remorse down the road. $1456 CDN taxes in for the 56mm is painful compared to what USA prices are for US folks.

60mm at f2.4 will give you shallower DOF and more compression than a 50mm will at f2, so that's not much of a point in my opinion. The 60mm also has some of the best "creamy" bokeh you can find in any XF lens, I love the way it renders. Always remember that DOF is not the same thing as bokeh.

As for The MF issue, I tried the MF ring in the store and didn't notice, though I didn't spend much time with it. To be honest it wouldn't matter to me much anyway, I rarely use MF with my native Fuji lenses.

I take a lot of value in size of my lenses. I have less interest in the 56/1.2 mostly because when I need a big fast portrait lens I can just use my Rokinon 85mm with the lens turbo. So for me it's between the 60/2.4 or 50/2.


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Aug 07, 2017 15:35 |  #5106

AlanU wrote in post #18421411 (external link)
Cater to your exact needs with no compromise. I'd rather be patient and selectively choose exactly what I "need" with no buyers remorse down the road. $1456 CDN taxes in for the 56mm is painful compared to what USA prices are for US folks.

The list price of the XF 56mm F/1.2 in the USA is $999 in Canada it's $1300 both prices are plus taxes that you will have to pay on sale or import. With todays exchange rate of 1.27 that makes you in Canada paying about $30+ tax more. Hardly a rip off now or am I missing something. I know I have to pay tax and possibly duty on import if I buy from overseas.

A little like the 18/2 the price of the 60mm macro gives great value in its range, and you can get in close for a more interesting shot as you can with the 50/2 but not the 56/1.2, as that needs about three feet. In many ways the 50/2 is a perfect prime for events. Really fast AF, sharp and good focus distance + it's small, well thin might describe it better. I'm hoping for Fuji to release a 1:1 macro in the 80mm in the near future.
With the 16-55/2.8 zoom - I know it's 'big' - I can focus to 30cm at 55mm and that is nice and close for me with the bonus of the AF being fast and accurate I never really looked at another option until the 50/2 came out. Not rushing into one yet though, little bit down the equipment list to go yet :cry:


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Aug 07, 2017 19:55 |  #5107

I've used the 56 1.2 quite a bit, so I'm pretty familiar with it. What I'd really like to know is: how does the 10-24 handle sun flare?




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AlanU
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Aug 07, 2017 20:45 |  #5108

Jeff Hanson wrote in post #18421833 (external link)
I've used the 56 1.2 quite a bit, so I'm pretty familiar with it. What I'd really like to know is: how does the 10-24 handle sun flare?

Depends if you want artistic sun flare in your photos or if you want resistance in flare.

I took photos of a car gathering recently and I almost felt like had to dehaze a large portion of the session. When I do intentional sun flare shots I dislike the shape and looks of the sunflare as it is not distinct with fine points. I much prefer my Canon gear when I take photos of cars artistically during a car show.

I am not aware of what you use to shoot but the Canon 16-35 f/2.8 mk2 is a lens that is not super resistant to flare but it can add creativity to my photos while retaining very good clean clarity. The newer 16-35 f/4IS is very resistant to flare and has great clarity in the photos regardless of extreme stray sunlight. One thing I will say is that it is more difficult to obtain focus with the 16-35 f/4IS when direct sun is entering the lens when I am trying to achieve artistic sunflares.

My Canon 80d with 10-22 UWA seems more resistant to the haze compared to what I get with the Fuji X-t2 w/ 10-24mm. However I really don't care for the look of the sunflare shots of the Canon 10-22 lens.

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Aug 07, 2017 20:55 |  #5109

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18421540 (external link)
The list price of the XF 56mm F/1.2 in the USA is $999 in Canada it's $1300 both prices are plus taxes that you will have to pay on sale or import. With todays exchange rate of 1.27 that makes you in Canada paying about $30+ tax more. Hardly a rip off now or am I missing something. I know I have to pay tax and possibly duty on import if I buy from overseas.

A little like the 18/2 the price of the 60mm macro gives great value in its range, and you can get in close for a more interesting shot as you can with the 50/2 but not the 56/1.2, as that needs about three feet. In many ways the 50/2 is a perfect prime for events. Really fast AF, sharp and good focus distance + it's small, well thin might describe it better. I'm hoping for Fuji to release a 1:1 macro in the 80mm in the near future.
With the 16-55/2.8 zoom - I know it's 'big' - I can focus to 30cm at 55mm and that is nice and close for me with the bonus of the AF being fast and accurate I never really looked at another option until the 50/2 came out. Not rushing into one yet though, little bit down the equipment list to go yet :cry:


$1063 USD if the sales tax is 6.5% for US folks. Still aprox $400 difference if we treat local $$$ at par. Just one of those things where it's clearly a bargain for US folks to buy camera gear in their local area.....soooooo much cheaper :)

Since I do not use my Fuji gear for hired events I've decided not to buy the faster AF 50mm f/2 lens which would have been substantially cheaper than the 56mm. My decision was based on exact needs of maximizing bokeh when I "need' it. As I mentioned before that I have the control to stop down too. I'm not a bokeh junkie like many are when they are enthusiastic about their first "fast prime lens ever" :) I think we've all "been there done that" :) I can deal with the slow AF speed of the 56 f/1.2 for portrait work.

I totally agree with you about fast af for events. I'll consider buying another Canon EF 85 f/1.8 for the speed and accurate focus for my Canon gear. My 85Lmk2 is such a disgusting pig slow AF performer for fast paced events.


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Aug 07, 2017 21:52 |  #5110

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Aug 07, 2017 22:11 |  #5111

AlanU wrote in post #18421411 (external link)
I had the opportunity to buy a virtually brand new seldom used 60mm. Had to turn down that offer as my application was for creamy bokeh (when necessary). The option to blow out the background sometimes is critical for me. I can always stop down as an option. In the Fuji world I really have no alternative but the 56mm prime (not easy to find used in my area).

I don't think you are saying what you mean to say here :).

"Creamy Bokeh" means smooth Bokeh, as in "the transitions in high-contrast areas which are outside the area of sharp focus is smooth." Creamy does not refer to how shallow you can make the depth of field (how much of the image is out of focus).

The 56/1.2 is a perfectly good lens but if creamy Bokeh is your goal, the 56/1.2 APD version is a significantly better option.


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Aug 07, 2017 22:25 |  #5112

F2Bthere wrote in post #18421941 (external link)
I don't think you are saying what you mean to say here :).

"Creamy Bokeh" means smooth Bokeh, as in "the transitions in high-contrast areas which are outside the area of sharp focus is smooth." Creamy does not refer to how shallow you can make the depth of field (how much of the image is out of focus).

The 56/1.2 is a perfectly good lens but if creamy Bokeh is your goal, the 56/1.2 APD version is a significantly better option.

This.

Not only that, but the 60mm is pretty widely agreed to have excellent bokeh. In fact, if you're stopping down beyond f2 you could argue that the 60mm has the better bokeh, but clearly not when used wide open ;)


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Aug 07, 2017 23:15 |  #5113

F2Bthere wrote in post #18421941 (external link)
I don't think you are saying what you mean to say here :).

"Creamy Bokeh" means smooth Bokeh, as in "the transitions in high-contrast areas which are outside the area of sharp focus is smooth." Creamy does not refer to how shallow you can make the depth of field (how much of the image is out of focus).

The 56/1.2 is a perfectly good lens but if creamy Bokeh is your goal, the 56/1.2 APD version is a significantly better option.

Doesn't shallow dof and smooth bokeh go hand in hand for longer prime lenses??

I've done my visual internet research comparisons and thorough discussions with locals that own 56 APD lenses. The APD version is clearly has smoother bokeh!! APD owners also tells me they are superior to me LOL!!! :P

However I can't spend and extra $680 CDN for the APD version over the regular 56mm. I truly appreciate just having such a killer Fuji lens but I also still own my Canon gear 70-200 and 85L that also does great for portraits. The Fuji 56mm "regular" still produces fantastic images even when you use the APD as a benchmark.


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Aug 07, 2017 23:28 |  #5114

AlanU wrote in post #18421997 (external link)
Doesn't shallow dof and smooth bokeh go hand in hand for longer prime lenses??

I've done my visual internet research comparisons and thorough discussions with locals that own 56 APD lenses. The APD version is clearly has smoother bokeh!! APD owners also tells me they are superior to me LOL!!! :P

However I can't spend and extra $680 CDN for the APD version over the regular 56mm. I truly appreciate just having such a killer Fuji lens but I also still own my Canon gear 70-200 and 85L that also does great for portraits. The Fuji 56mm "regular" still produces fantastic images even when you use the APD as a benchmark.

Not necessarily. You can have a very shallow DOF, yet have distracting/unappealin​g bokeh. True though that the 56/1.2 has very pleasing bokeh, I think all Fuji lenses do (even my 18-55mm which isn't exactly renowned for it).

As for lenses needed for extremely shallow DOF portraits, I'm happy with my Rokinon 85mm for whenever I rarely need/want that look ;)

(apologies for the repost from a few pages ago, but no more recent examples from this setup wide open... like I said, "rarely")

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Aug 08, 2017 04:36 |  #5115

AlanU wrote in post #18421896 (external link)
$1063 USD if the sales tax is 6.5% for US folks. Still aprox $400 difference if we treat local $$$ at par. Just one of those things where it's clearly a bargain for US folks to buy camera gear in their local area.....soooooo much cheaper :)

The amount you pay will depend on where you live, if you live in New York then you need to add 8.875% in combined taxes. You, in BC, pay 12% in combined taxes - an additional 3.125% The exchange rate between CND and USD is ~0.79:1.

Of course you might live in a lower tax area but you might live in a higher tax one also. Either way there it's not going to add up to a $400 difference. Unless you count CND and USD at the same value which they are not even close to being.

I have to pay 23% Tax here in Ireland on goods. The XF 56mm is €999 inc Tax here (€812 without). So I have the best value off all three if you are counting currencies on par that is - oh lucky me.


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