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Aug 09, 2017 00:02 |  #16

Jake.Northrup wrote in post #18422763 (external link)
Yeah I was just looking at the 5d mark ii specs actually, and it seems to be comparable to the 6d for my uses... con is it's heavier, and not as good in low light; but, for everything else the same. 5dmk3>6d>5dmk2 (barely)

I would take a 7D combo on day hikes, having two cameras is an advantage and disadvantage I think.

However, I would definitely leave the 7d and just take the 6d/5dmk2 for multi day trips into the backcountry (or hopefully will sell some prints and save up for 5dmk3). All these cameras have good enough weather sealing as long as I'm careful I'll never have to deal with breaking a body hopefully -?.

Any more opinions on a 5dmk3 versus 6d/5dmk2 + 7D combo?

The 5D2 is a warmed over 5D, I would strongly suggest you stay away from that. The 6D is more closely akin to the 5D3 than the 5D2. Push the 5D2 up into the higher ISOs, and the newer bodies are better, even APS-C.


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Aug 09, 2017 00:19 |  #17

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18422804 (external link)
The 5D2 is a warmed over 5D, I would strongly suggest you stay away from that. The 6D is more closely akin to the 5D3 than the 5D2. Push the 5D2 up into the higher ISOs, and the newer bodies are better, even APS-C.


Yes....true.

One exception is 5d2 build and 1/8000 max mechanical shutter speed. With good light, strobe work or bounced flash I cannot see a difference between my 5d3 and 5d2.

6d has 1/4000 max shutter speed and marginally better AF. I would not use outer focus points with confidence with either 6d or 5d2. The key thing about the 6d is the great high iso low light performance.

I just haven't saved aprox $5000 CDN for a new 5dmk4. In the works of just getting another 5d3 as a spare body for my events.

At the present moment in $$ expenditure on newer gear ( i will use what I have currently) when I look at the 6d2 I can only consider for my casual video rig or casual shooting. The 6d2 seems more of a nice upgrade to the full frame world for an 80D user or a nice consumer grade FF due to lack of dual memory slots.


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Aug 09, 2017 06:35 |  #18

I guess my point would be that if one was to consider a 5D2 vs 6D, then:

- the 6d AF is better, both in tracking efficiency, and in low light acquisition
- the 6d dynamic range is better
- high ISO beats out the 5d2, and even the 5d3
- the 6d has wifi support and gps
- the 6d shares the same battery as the 7d (edit: never mind, so does the 5D2)
- the only time a 1/4000 shutter is an issue is when one is shooting with a very fast prime like the 85L

A 5d3 brings 1d-series AF to the table, but loses the wifi and GPS.


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Aug 09, 2017 07:39 |  #19

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18422946 (external link)
- the only time a 1/4000 shutter is an issue is when one is shooting with a very fast prime like the 85L

And then it's only one stop of aperture away.

5D3 is an awesome do it all camera, buy a good used one and you will have a great time shooting with it.
I found the AF on the 5D2 terrible, was glad to get rid of it any into some 5D3's for work.


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Aug 09, 2017 10:39 |  #20

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18422946 (external link)
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- the 6d shares the same battery as the 7d
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A great list, but just a nitpick, don't they all use LP-E6? Including 5D2.

Anyway, as a 5D2 owner, I do not recommend it to anyone for nearly anything* really. I always suggest the 6D or 5D3 instead. Mine is now a dedicated IR conversion, for which it's ponderous nature is well suited.

* It makes a great FF IR camera ;)


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Aug 09, 2017 11:19 |  #21

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18422983 (external link)
And then it's only one stop of aperture away.

5D3 is an awesome do it all camera, buy a good used one and you will have a great time shooting with it.
I found the AF on the 5D2 terrible, was glad to get rid of it any into some 5D3's for work.

Kim,

The 5d2 is showing it's age. I've used my 5d2 as my secondary body. I focus and recompose with no issues with the 5d2. The center point/single shot is extremely fast and accurate coming from a old digic 4 image processor. Constant AF is another thing that I seldom use as that body cannot easily keep up when up close to the subject. Oddly when I use a long telephoto the increased dof the 5d2 can track 1/4 mile drag cars acceptably well when on the side lines (Body not intended for this type of application).

In studio I take advantage of the 5d3 outer focus points using the joystick. The 5d2 I never ever use the outer focus points.

Hard to suggest a 5dmk2 to a person as it was introduced in 2009. Kim I know we are also fuji shooters so if you compare even a newer 2012 fuji flashship X-pro1 that AF is nausiating in speed that misses every spontaneous moment during events. The 5dmk2's center point is quite fast for a 2009 body and I seldom ever miss moments during events using center point/recompose/single shot. With my previous fuji X-T10 made in 2015 (AF equiv to your X-T1) in low light fails me (!AF indicator telling me cannot focus) I either miss the moment entirely or AF becomes very slow in low light even when using a prime lens. Focus recovery would be to manual focus if shooting a low lit environment.

For casual and professional application the 5dmk3 is Canon's best deal at the moment. For more casual nature with 1 single memory slot the newest 6dmk2 is like an upgraded full frame sensor Canon 80D. 80D is another good option but with great dynamic range over the 6dmk2. 7dmk2 will be better in AF and marginally better in high iso with faster fps but has 2 memory card slots.


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Aug 09, 2017 11:59 as a reply to post 18422157 |  #22

team , i have to give you a big shout out for being on these boards and helping out so many . Your post are often extremely informative and help more then just the original poster ... thank you




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Aug 09, 2017 12:29 |  #23

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18423114 (external link)
A great list, but just a nitpick, don't they all use LP-E6? Including 5D2.

Ah yes, I guess it did. I cannot believe the LP-E6 has lasted as long as it has across so many bodies. :)


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Aug 09, 2017 15:33 as a reply to AlanU's post |  #24

Hej Alan, regardless of when a camera was built, that doesn't change the fact the the AF amongst other things sucked - even in 2010, in the 5D2. The 5D3 was so much a more sorted camera that it would make little sense to even think about not spending the couple of $€100 extra in buying a used 5D3 over a 5D2. I think you would agree there as you are upping to another 5D3 soon. << we agree! :-) >>

I don't think Fuji did to bad for their first go at the interchangeable X-camera system with the X-PRO1, it got much better over time - unlike the 5D2, and today is not that bad at all, not at all sports quick, for day to day it's fine. But if you compared it to the 2012 5D3, not much compition there. The 5D3 will own it in most everything.

X-T1 focuses well enough for me in low light (-3VE rating), depends on the lens though & the manual focus aids really make that easy. The X-PRO2's AF is suits me fine, when I got one to play with I started selling my Canon gear the next week, but I don't think Fuji is being touted here. I just found a system that suits my needs better than Canon did & that took about a year to figure out for me.


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Aug 10, 2017 10:10 |  #25

I own a 5D2, 7D and a 7D2... I have to agree that the autofocus of the 5D2 is antiquated and that the high ISO capability is certainly nothing to write home about. When I switch to the 5D2 from my 7D2, it seems like I am back shooting with a 40D which was a fairly capable camera but, nothing beyond that.

However, I use my 5D2 for portraits - primarily of dogs. The area in which I shoot my dogs is fairly tight. The 70-200mm f/4L IS lens on a full frame camera is a perfect choice for my use. A crop frame camera is a bit tight. I shoot enough dog portraits to have a camera dedicated to that use.

Auto focus speed is no problem in portrait work. Additionally, I usually shoot at ISO 200 which gives great results with the 5D2. I don't need higher ISO capability.

However, I would certainly not recommend the 5D2 as a general purpose, do-it-all camera. It is simply a bit long in the tooth for that use.

OTOH - the autofocus of the 7D2 is mind boggling. I absolutely love this camera, specially with a 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS Mk-2 lens. It can do most everything well but, its greatness is in that autofocus. I use that camera with a long lens along with the 7D and a shorter lens for general shooting. That is a nice combination or my style of photography.

If I were looking for a one, do-everything, camera; I would be looking at a used or refurbished 5D3 or, if I had the money, a 5D4...


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