I've never struck this type of conversation with working professionals about using selective area AF. I don't know many photographers that allow their camera's to randomly select focus points during events photography. There are reasons why people micro adjust and do battery tests to assure proper AF with mirrored bodies.
I can never allow the camera to randomly shoot human subjects using zone for an indoor event. Zone for faster moving subjects I can appreciate zone AF. Modern Mirrored bodies never have issues selecting precise focus points in micro seconds during shutter actuation. I just still struggle with this idea that the size of the Fuji focus point can slow down fuji AF...that to me is still shockingly ironic as people think fuji AF is on par with mirrored bodies. I know the difference as I shoot both system at the same time indoors. Outdoors there is a less noticeable AF lag but for indoors it's very apparent.
I will throw this question out in the forums and ask other manufacture brand people if they use zone AF for events. I can see a newbie or inexperienced photog shooting AUTO mode doing this but not a paid semi/pro photographer for events. This topic truly is a shocker for me.....
Jeeze, did I strike a cord or something? I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I'm trying to see if you've considered all options for better use of your AF (which clearly you haven't) since you seem to blame the camera more than any other Fuji shooter I've seen/talked with.
What are you even on about with "randomly" selecting people? The smallest Zone AF mode is barely bigger than the larger single point mode, it's very easy to put and keep over an individual subject. In my experience this mode is certainly faster in lower light and I also believe it to be more accurate. The only time I wouldn't use that mode is if I were shooting in a situation where something else was close to my subject and on a different focal plane (shooting something through brush or a person through a crowd for example).
I couldn't care less what "pros" think of this suggestion. I know what works for me and couldn't care less if it works for "pros". I've heard lots of "pros" tell people to NEVER use Av/Tv/P mode at all and to ONLY shoot ISO 100...
I just shouted out to a photog friend of mine and his jaw dropped. He said that doing such a thing using zone for events is too unreliable at wide apertures. He says he always uses single point AF. His biggest concern is the reputation of the photographer.
As I mentioned I've never heard such a thing using zone AF for events work. That is something I've never considered or do. I truly do not know anyone using zone unless it's it's for sports or fast moving subjects when fast tracking is required. Seems many sony shooters use eye detect for portrait work.
Lucas my methods is very typical and normal. I can grab my 80D using single point and never ever miss a beat even in low light. Many dslr users I know use selected af points. Only sports or birders I know can potentially use zone as this is a common practice for that sort of photographer. Most wedding shooters I would imagine majority use single point/selected af point.
We should throw out this question...
If you can explain to me why zone focusing would be unreliable at 16mm and f1.4 I'd be interested to hear your argument, 'cause I don't see the logic. At 85mm f1.4, sure, I could see that argument (depending on the circumstances). What does the reputation of the photographer have to do with anything?
I never said I don't use "selective AF points", in fact I use a selective AF zone on the smallest setting most often and you can clearly see from my flickr feed that it does just fine, but thanks for your concern
It's interesting to me that you acknowledge that using a zone focusing mode would be very useful for a sports or bird photographer, but not for an event photographer? Last time I checked focusing on sports and wildlife is far more difficult than shooting slowly moving people at an event, so again, I'm confused by your point?
Alan, the SONY shooters with it's absolutely amazing eye detection will shoot zone all day and the Camera does the work for you, and faster and better.
Eye detection in DSLRs is still in it's infancy compared to what the SONY mirrorless are doing with it.
The times they are a changen...
I do miss the eye AF of my a7S. I loved that the eye AF could be mapped to a dedicated button so you didn't have to always have face detection on (which drives me nuts on the Fuji when it overrides the point or zone I have selected). On the a7S I could just push a button and hold it (like with BBAF) to focus on a subjects eyes. As a whole though, the a7S AF was definitely not as good as my X-Pro2, much more similar to my X-T1, which is still great for most uses in my opinion.
I agree Jake.
Last weekend I did an awards documentation at a car show in good light with my 16mm prime. Fuji eye detect was not "amazing" at all and had to turn that function off.
Jake are these Sony shooters using Zone AF for human subject during events social gatherings?? Doing a quick zoom in on a subject will not necessarily be in the photographer's control where the focus point goes for a fuji shooter. Sony eye detect is suppose to be extremely good but Fuji is still in it's infancy.
You dont think I've been impressed with the Sony A9!!!
My discussion was based on zone AF with fuji in events. I'd feel very strange letting the camera choose my focus points. .....that's just me.
I'll make a poll on POTN
Again I'm confused why you would be using Eye AF with a 16mm lens in the first place though? That seems to be a very strange FL to require eye AF with any camera body.
Yes it absolutely will be in the photographer's control. You can control where the zone goes just like you can with a single point. I'm not talking about the Wide AF tracking mode, I'm talking about zone AF, they're two different things.
Generally I'll only use zone if I feel I won't be able to keep the AF point on the subject, like kids running about at a wedding. I keep it tight though. Otherwise it's single point for me. I rarely use face detect although it has gotten a lot better but until I can zone + face I'll not use it if there are more than one person looking. Go try sonys new face tracking its great and shows what can be done.
With enough depth of field tight zone would work well I'd imagine, and make moving the AF area about quicker. Even if your DoF is only 12cm it would be enough to have a face sharp.
Also if you select the fine AF point in the 5D3 it's AF slows down so it not synonymous to Fuji and that makes sense if you think about it.
Your second paragraph sums up exactly why I use it, especially when shooting people.
Why don't you just try it and see if it works for you? If it does great, if not, no loss. Then you don't have the worry about what or how others are doing things.
I think Mr. Getaway was pointing to the fact that a wide angle lens will give you enough DoF at a 'normal' distance to allow anything in the zone to be sharp. Probably not talking wide zone AF with a tele lens through a crowd although I don't want to speak out of turn or for another choice/abilities. There area many ways of doing things.
This. Horses for courses.
Zone works very well for me at events where people are moving.
Single point I use for portraits where I know people wouldn't move as much and I can focus on One persons face.
I read this before buying the camera and it helped me immensely as coming from canon the wording was different.
Everyone has their way to do things, there is no right or wrong way, like Kim said use what works for you, no need to poll.
This. Also, if there are people who haven't tried using zone indoors, give it a try, in my experience it's definitely faster in low light than a single point, and more accurate than the larger single points too (again, in my experience).
At any rate, this is probably not the best place to discuss this since this thread is for the Godox system with Fuji. Sorry to jack your thread Osa