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EricJrSax
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Aug 26, 2017 16:26 |  #16

Dmab wrote in post #18436545 (external link)
Having said that, I'd like to know more in depth what you think the D850 will give you that a Canon camera won't in real-world application shooting, beyond the newness and "grass-is-greener" factor.

Vastly sharper and cleaner images,... with more dynamic range!




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Aug 26, 2017 17:02 |  #17

I mainly shoot Nikon and do follow Nikon lens/body development. FYI, to get 9 fps, you need a Nikon grip (maybe for now at least). The grip is $500. LOL. That's how Nikon gets you with that grip. And you need a different battery for it and a charger. The battery is like $200 and the charger for THAT battery is $300. Is basically a D500+D810+more combined body and specs...which is nice.


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Aug 27, 2017 03:40 |  #18

I recently sold my 5DIII to get 5DIV, but now having second thoughts. Some of the features I like on D850 (that 5DIV lacks) are spot meter linked to AF point (which I assume D850 has), focus stacking, focus peaking, and 9fps (even though you need to spend a lot more). What is holding me back is the lenses - my main lens is Canon EF 100-400mm IS II, which I like very much, and which as far as I know, superior to similar Nikon glass (80-400mm, 200-500mm). Anyway I will wait for another couple of months for the D850 reviews...




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Aug 27, 2017 18:51 |  #19

EricJrSax wrote in post #18437721 (external link)
Vastly sharper and cleaner images,... with more dynamic range!

Sonikon skin tones are definitely greener. only reason i cant bring myself to switch.


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Aug 27, 2017 19:31 |  #20

captainkirk wrote in post #18438088 (external link)
I recently sold my 5DIII to get 5DIV, but now having second thoughts. Some of the features I like on D850 (that 5DIV lacks) are spot meter linked to AF point (which I assume D850 has), focus stacking, focus peaking, and 9fps (even though you need to spend a lot more). What is holding me back is the lenses - my main lens is Canon EF 100-400mm IS II, which I like very much, and which as far as I know, superior to similar Nikon glass (80-400mm, 200-500mm). Anyway I will wait for another couple of months for the D850 reviews...

I own a 5dmk3 and I just recently added a 5dmk4 to my gear.

I've basically stopped myself yesterday in going to a hosted Nikon event at my local camera shop because I'm tunnel visioned in Canon gear ;)

Clearly the D850 destroys my 5dmk4. However i've basically micro adjusted all of my lenses and it appears I'm getting sharper and more micro contrast from identical lenses used by my 5d3 in comparison. I'm extremely pleased even though I know the Nikon is roughly the same price with much better performance.

I'm a Canon guy and I know theres a possibility of greener pastures but my lenses are in my possession so I basically "upped" my game with a better performing 5dmk4.

if i was a nikon user I'd be happy right now!!!


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Aug 28, 2017 02:57 |  #21

If budget is of no concern, then I'd go for it. By that I mean a Nikon system to supplement your Canon system. But if you do go for the D850, you'll want to get the best lenses Nikon offers as well....that means just for the 3 mains zooms:

14-24mm - $1900
24-70mm non and VR (both have pluses and minuses) - $1800-2400
70-200mm - $2800

plus most primes worth shooting are all $2000 +/- each (24, 28, 58, 85, 105)

then you add in the XQD's at $150 just for a 128gb, which remember: will fill up fairly quick at 45.7mp.

To be honest, for most people I'd suggest just sticking within the DSLR system they're with unless they're willing to completely start over. It's annoying enough to switch between Nikon bodies (they more or less change button layout every generation and between the different models), I can only imagine the PITA it'd be dealing with both Nikon and Canon at the same time.

5DSr and 5DIV just seems like a much better pairing IMO. While I like the Nikon system (I'm currently shooting it, and will likely buy a D850 later this year if there's no issues), I can honestly say that unless you need the increased DR for your style of shooting, there's no reason to switch.




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Aug 28, 2017 08:00 |  #22

Nikon has introduced some cameras with fantastic specs in recent years, but the quality control issues that plague every release are enough to put me off and keep in in the Canon camp.


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Aug 28, 2017 11:12 |  #23

I'm quite excited about this camera but I am going to remain kind of skeptical until we see some real world testing. They will have one hell of a time beating the dynamic range of the D810. Building a new camera is a major balancing act and ISO performance can come at the expense of dynamic range and vice versa. How much DR - ISO balance will this camera have, and how well the raw files handle will determine if I will pick it up. A real world side by side test against the Sony A7Rii would probably tell us a lot.

Also I'm not sure if I will require 45MP for all my work, it seems a bit overkill unless you are a landscape or commercial photographer. Those massive file sizes will probably clog up my workflow as a wedding photographer. I know they have options to shoot at lower resolution but how will those raw files handle? Photographer at https://www.mickealpho​to.com/ (external link)


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Aug 28, 2017 11:22 |  #24

anthony667 wrote in post #18439174 (external link)
I'm quite excited about this camera but I am going to remain kind of skeptical until we see some real world testing. They will have one hell of a time beating the dynamic range of the D810. Building a new camera is a major balancing act and ISO performance can come at the expense of dynamic range and vice versa. How much DR - ISO balance will this camera have, and how well the raw files handle will determine if I will pick it up. A real world side by side test against the Sony A7Rii would probably tell us a lot.

Also I'm not sure if I will require 45MP for all my work, it seems a bit overkill unless you are a landscape or commercial photographer. Those massive file sizes will probably clog up my workflow as a wedding photographer. I know they have options to shoot at lower resolution but how will those raw files handle? Photographer at https://www.mickealpho​to.com/ (external link)

you can always use adobe dng converter


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superclarkey
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Aug 28, 2017 13:48 |  #25

Im Defo going to wait and see if there is any teething issues with the camera first, but I'm fairly stuck on the idea, I nearly bought the D500 but the whole dx fx lens put me off so I held out so it's been on my mind a while now.

I may rent a 5DSR and see how I feel with it.


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Aug 28, 2017 17:12 as a reply to TooManyShots's post |  #26

So to get the D850 to perform at it's very best/fastest you need to invest another $1000? Ouch!

Still the specs, without the grip, look rather nice so I suspect many may not bother with the grip.

Unfortunately it is of no interest to me as, having tried them, I am not happy with the Nikon SuperTele lenses so their cameras are a mute point. However for mainstream users the D850 looks very interesting indeed!

I wonder if/how Canon will respond?


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EricJrSax
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Aug 28, 2017 20:40 |  #27

captainkirk wrote in post #18438088 (external link)
I recently sold my 5DIII to get 5DIV, but now having second thoughts. Some of the features I like on D850 (that 5DIV lacks) are spot meter linked to AF point (which I assume D850 has), focus stacking, focus peaking, and 9fps (even though you need to spend a lot more). What is holding me back is the lenses - my main lens is Canon EF 100-400mm IS II, which I like very much, and which as far as I know, superior to similar Nikon glass (80-400mm, 200-500mm). Anyway I will wait for another couple of months for the D850 reviews...

I would agree, I'd call Canon's 100-400 L II superior to the Nikon 80-400 as well, but not by much. But Canon's 100-400 is in no way superior to Nikon's 200-500 f/5.6 in terms of image quality. I too wish the Nikon's 80-400 was as good as their 200-500. The 200-500 is just too large to be a substitute for the 100-400, and missing that extra 100 miil on the short end can change how you shoot.




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Aug 28, 2017 20:42 |  #28

Silver-Halide wrote in post #18438589 (external link)
Sonikon skin tones are definitely greener. only reason i cant bring myself to switch.

I wouldn't call it 'greener',... but Nikons are a little cooler than Canon when it comes to skin tones.




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captainkirk
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Aug 29, 2017 06:17 as a reply to EricJrSax's post |  #29

Good to know that 200-500mm is as good.

> missing that extra 100 miil on the short end can change how you shoot.

I agree, I use 100-400mm as a close-up/macro lens also since it has a low minimum focus distance (about 1m vs 2.19m for 200-500mm).




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Aug 29, 2017 10:12 |  #30

superclarkey wrote in post #18439296 (external link)
Im Defo going to wait and see if there is any teething issues with the camera first, but I'm fairly stuck on the idea, I nearly bought the D500 but the whole dx fx lens put me off so I held out so it's been on my mind a while now.

I may rent a 5DSR and see how I feel with it.

I will say that I used the D500 extensively for a few months last year putting through it about 8000 actuations. The files from that camera were very sharp due to the absence of the low pass filter but at the time I found the Nikon lens lineup to be lacking and missed the control simplicity of Canons.


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