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Aug 31, 2017 09:13 |  #1576

Duh, I could have figured you did portrait layout..., but my framing was pretty close for landscape. :)


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Aug 31, 2017 12:03 |  #1577

Heya,

What I meant was, the BM shot as posted, versus if you ran back a bit and took the same composition in a single shot with the 135 at F2 for comparison. We all know it will have different depth of field as the only difference is proximity. But I would be interested to have seen the end result difference. I like the look of BM shots, but I've also seen telephoto's at fast focal-ratios used at long distance achieve similar results. Granted, it's crazy how much distance would be needed, and likely not even possible in most situations.

I actually prefer to do BM panos with a wider FOV lens, like 50mm~80mm tops.

I have the 135L, so maybe I should try my own test out some time soon and will share.

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Aug 31, 2017 12:29 as a reply to MalVeauX's post |  #1578

There is no way you can reproduce the wide angle coverage of my Brenizer photo in a single shot with 135L, no matter how far you step back. That's what it makes it special - you get a strange combo of a (moderately - ~38mm equivalent on FF) wide angle lens with a shallow DoF - for a full height portrait.


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Aug 31, 2017 12:56 |  #1579

What if you had a 135mm f1.0 lens? :D


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Aug 31, 2017 13:00 |  #1580

Perhaps the result can be reproduced with a 35mm f1.8 lens? :rolleyes:


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Aug 31, 2017 13:13 |  #1581

DOF would be more than the shot manufactured here, assuming you only change the lens and not the distance. 18' or so at 1.8 at 35mm would be 8-9', but a 135L shot 15 times over the scene at hand at f2 is less than a foot for each of the frames.


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Aug 31, 2017 14:27 |  #1582

The shot I made is the same you'd get with a medium format film 3x larger in both dimensions than FF, with a non-existent medium format lens 135mm f2.0. (Though the Hasselblad's MF 110mm f2.0 comes pretty close.)

Alternatively, the same effect (with the same framing, same distance from the model and background) can be derived on FF with another non-existent (in SLR world) lens - a FF 45 mm f/0.7. (The Kubrik's f/0.7 lens doesn't count - it's not for SLRs.)

That's what makes the Brenizer photos stand out - lenses/cameras which can make the same shot in a single exposure simply don't exist.


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Aug 31, 2017 14:33 |  #1583

pulsar123 wrote in post #18441578 (external link)
The shot I made is the same you'd get with a medium format film 3x larger in both dimensions than FF, with a non-existent medium format lens 135mm f2.0. (Though the Hasselblad's MF 110mm f2.0 comes pretty close.)

Alternatively, the same effect (with the same framing, same distance from the model and background) can be derived on FF with another non-existent (in SLR world) lens - a FF 45 mm f/0.7. (The Kubrik's f/0.7 lens doesn't count - it's not for SLRs.)

That's what makes the Brenizer photos stand out - lenses/cameras which can make the same shot in a single exposure simply don't exist.

Heya,

Yes, agreed, this is understood.

The statement I'm saying regards the field of view which absolutely can be recreated. The only thing you cannot recreate is the depth of field associated with that field of view. You absolutely can recreate the "wide angle coverage" as you put it, that angle is the angle of view, which we refer to commonly as field of view, and can be recreated exactly. It's only the depth of field that is different and the combination of focal-ratio for the focal length that normally would be associated with a given field of view for a smaller sensor size that doesn't exist in a lens (like a 38mm F1 for example) to get a similar look that is truly different.

The statement is to simply see the difference in the look of the depth of field given similar/same FOV with the 135 doing a BM pano and doing it from a distance that produces the same composition FOV with the greater DOF. Just to compare.

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Aug 31, 2017 15:38 as a reply to MalVeauX's post |  #1584

Ah, no problem. A FF zoom lens set to ~38mm would have the same angle coverage. Unfortunately I didn't make such a shot, but will do in my future Brenizer shot.

In fact, the best will be to take a UWA lens shot, and then crop it as needed (because it is hard to know exactly what will be the equivalent FL of the Brenizer composite shot).


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Aug 31, 2017 15:43 |  #1585

correct, you won't know for certain, because after all the shots are merged, you have to then crop for composition and to cut off all the mis-matched edges, and that will then determine your approximate single-shot focal length.


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Sep 01, 2017 21:00 |  #1586

My second attempt with a 6D + 135L combo (30 shots; hand-held):

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