CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18440451
I find this sad every year. IMHO Armistice day had an urgent importance for us all to remember.
Not that Veterans shoudln't be remembered as well, (they deserve their own day! ) but in essence we took a day that was supposed to remind us NOT TO EVER allow the world to go back to war,. and now it's original meaning is lost.
I recall how my grandparents still stopped what they were doing at 11:00am and yes, as a child, the local church still rang it's bells.
I didn't really mean to derail the conversation too far off-topic so I'll leave this as my final post on the subject. But I find the idea that you can end war with a war deeply ironically flawed. The War to End All Wars, didn't even last a generation. To solve war, the root causes need to be addressed, and as far I can tell there are 3 root causes of war: religion, politics (or really the seeking of power over others) & hunger. I don't think any religion is lacking culpability, nor is any political faction. Hunger can sometimes have its culpability laid on a specific individual or groups feet, but generally I see it as a problem to be resolved but the entire world, with the greatest abilities to address the issue in the hands of those with wealth, education and/or access to resources. And it is one of the 3 root causes that I feel can be directly addressed by science should those other 2 root causes get out of its way. But if we think wars over oil were awful, wait until wars over water become the norm. Science has the ability to improve the generation & distribution of cheap energy, which then can drive desalination plants to alleviate the shortage of clean fresh water. It has the ability to improve agricultural techniques and products, dwarf wheat being a wonderful example of how GMO plants can eliminate starvation deaths. And if we solve hunger, we can also reduce the other 2 root factors, in that if people have easy & cheap access to food & water, they have less of a desire or actual need to exert power over others to claim limited resources. One can dream of a time when we capture the insane amounts of energy blowing past Earth every instant, and put that energy to use producing crops & cleaning water.
That's not to denigrate or downplay the ideals of those who believed they were fighting the struggle to end war. It is certainly a nobel cause, even if I view the means misguided. Many great people sacrificed for what they believed would truly improve the human condition.
BUT, now back to computers for me. If you enjoy this discussion you can PM me instead of allowing me to derail this thread further off-topic.
Edit: As may be clear from my posts, I am a progressive, but I also value rationality, and feel science is the method we've created to discern the truth by doing our best to eliminate personal biases & self-delusion. I am always open to listening to differing point of views, questioning my own views & conclusions,
as long the person with whom I am discussing shares that approach & is willing to discuss politics & religion dispassionately, honestly and avoid polemics & proselyzation.