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Sep 14, 2017 01:11 |  #31

Well, you've all certainly made your points (thanks for that!) and in a way even made it harder for me. I'm now definitely looking at better but second hand glass (only way for me to stray from the likes of the 18-135 nano usm type lenses), but that decision has made it harder to choose a camera body. I'm considering the 6d1 second hand or the 7d2 or 80D... The comments on the AF system on the 6 makes me a bit weary of it. But it does have the advantage of FF and being considerably more expensive then the 7D(2) I would expect it to be better in many ways. But that is not always the case as I read. I may not do sports a lot, but I do like getting shots of our dog chasing around anything that strikes his fancy. Also kids move quick too... even though at 11 and 13 they will listen if I ask them for a pose. But I like the more unexpected shots a lot of the time.

But seeing that the better glass brings one mostly to the EF range of lenses this really has me wondering if I should go FF. And if I don't what would be a good entry level lens. I mean a 24-105 on a crop camera is almost a 40mm. That is pretty far of from the 18 (28mm ff equivalent) I am used to now. Another consideration on the better glass is that the lenses I seem to be recommended often have F4 as wides opening. Will that do well enough in portraits? I can always ad the 85mm 1.8 off course but I cannot justify buying a body and three lenses at the same time so would like to give myself a decent allround start.




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Sep 14, 2017 01:33 |  #32

the 6DI should be about the same price as the 7DII if not cheaper...


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Sep 14, 2017 02:01 as a reply to DreDaze's post |  #33

Yes those prices are in the same area when comapring a second hand 6 to a second hand 7d2 (the six is a little cheaper actually). And I found a 6d with 24-105 f4 L for a very reasonable price, but I'm not yet sure what would be the better choice.




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Sep 14, 2017 02:09 |  #34

Eurogranada wrote in post #18451814 (external link)
Yes those prices are in the same area when comapring a second hand 6 to a second hand 7d2 (the six is a little cheaper actually). And I found a 6d with 24-105 f4 L for a very reasonable price, but I'm not yet sure what would be the better choice.

i was just looking at refurb prices, not sure what reasons there are to buy new nowadays as compared to refurbs...same 1 year warranty...until canon starts offering more than 1 year on new purchases, it doesn't make much sense to me to buy brand new...

http://www.canonpricew​atch.com/canon-refurb-stock-tracker/ (external link)

24-105L's are like dirt cheap, $450 or so max for one

but again, if budget is limited, you could always go for a crop body...i just wouldn't spend the extra money on the 7DII


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Sep 14, 2017 02:44 as a reply to DreDaze's post |  #35

Over here in The Netherlands (Europe) second hand prices are higher than the dollar/euro exchangerate would dictate. We pay on average €550 for a 24-105L f4 with warranty. Without warranty direct from individuals one can expect to pay around the €450 mark.




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Sep 14, 2017 09:43 as a reply to Eurogranada's post |  #36

Well, after a day of investigating the many remarks you have all given me, I'm thinking that the camera that would suit my needs and budget best would be the 80D. This seems to be a very nice camera for the money and should still be a nice step up from the 550D. I can start out with my current slow lens, and work my way up. I'll be adding a portrait lens from the get go.

Which lenses is a bit harder...

I'm pretty sure I'm going to either get the EF 50 f1.4 USM (80mm) for portraits or possibly the EF 85 f1.8 USM (136mm). Would like to know which you'd prefer on the 80D. Both seem to be in the right portrait zone.

I'm also pretty convinced I should be looking for a EF 70-200 IS f4 L second hand. As it is in the realm of affordability. The 2.8 with IS is 200 euro's more. Would this be worth saving a bit longer?

This only leaves me with a gap at the wide angle end that in my opinion should bridge the gap between it and the 70-200. As the 50/85mm would be used specifically for portraits.

Any good suggestions on this last one considering the 80D as a base? Or for that matter, any reason not to choose the lenses I mentioned?




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Sep 14, 2017 10:02 |  #37

The 50 1.4 is a very old lens. I would opt for a 35 f2 IS instead. 35mm on a crop is a nice walk around. My 16-35 was glued to my 7D2.


Getting better at this - Fuji Xt-2 - Fuji X-Pro2 - 18-55 - 35 f2 WR - 50-140 - 6D - 135L - 70-200 f4L IS - 600EX-RT x2 - ST-E3-RT - flickr (external link) - www.scottaticephoto.co​m (external link)

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Sep 14, 2017 10:03 |  #38

Regarding the 70-200... if you DON'T absolutely NEED 2.8 then go for the f4 IS. It's smaller, lighter and sharp as a tack. Thank me later.


Getting better at this - Fuji Xt-2 - Fuji X-Pro2 - 18-55 - 35 f2 WR - 50-140 - 6D - 135L - 70-200 f4L IS - 600EX-RT x2 - ST-E3-RT - flickr (external link) - www.scottaticephoto.co​m (external link)

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Sep 14, 2017 10:05 |  #39

Eurogranada wrote in post #18452054 (external link)
Well, after a day of investigating the many remarks you have all given me, I'm thinking that the camera that would suit my needs and budget best would be the 80D. This seems to be a very nice camera for the money and should still be a nice step up from the 550D. I can start out with my current slow lens, and work my way up. I'll be adding a portrait lens from the get go.

Which lenses is a bit harder...

I'm pretty sure I'm going to either get the EF 50 f1.4 USM (80mm) for portraits or possibly the EF 85 f1.8 USM (136mm). Would like to know which you'd prefer on the 80D. Both seem to be in the right portrait zone.

I'm also pretty convinced I should be looking for a EF 70-200 IS f4 L second hand. As it is in the realm of affordability. The 2.8 with IS is 200 euro's more. Would this be worth saving a bit longer?

This only leaves me with a gap at the wide angle end that in my opinion should bridge the gap between it and the 70-200. As the 50/85mm would be used specifically for portraits.

Any good suggestions on this last one considering the 80D as a base? Or for that matter, any reason not to choose the lenses I mentioned?

The 50mm f/1.4 is an older lens design. I've seen too many reports of various problems with it. I ended up getting the very inexpensive 50mm f/1.8 STM. It focuses quite fast and seems to be pretty bullet proof, esp. at the price.

On an 80D, it will work like an 85mm lens. In other words, take a look at the 85mm threads here... see where the photographers are using a full frame camera and the 85mm. That will be representative of the field of view for you. On the other hand, look at the 135mm threads here. You'll have a similar field of view with an 85mm lens on your 80D. I see where you already know this based on your post. I work nights.... so I'm still a bit tired.

Distance to the subject will be far greater with an 85mm on an 80D, of course. That is something to consider. You will need more room to shoot it if you want, say, a full body portrait. It really depends on your shooting style.


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Sep 14, 2017 10:06 |  #40

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18452064 (external link)
The 50 1.4 is a very old lens. I would opt for a 35 f2 IS instead. 35mm on a crop is a nice walk around. My 16-35 was glued to my 7D2.

Ted is also correct... the 35 f/2 IS is a fine lens as well. I sold mine a while back to help pay for a camera body change. It's the only lens I've sold that I will end up buying again sometime.


Kim (the male variety) Canon 1D IV | 6Dc | 16-35 f/4 IS | 24-105 f/4 IS |100L IS macro | 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II | 100-400Lii | 50 f/1.8 STM | Canon 1.4X III
RRS tripod and monopod | 580EXII | Cinch 1 & Loop 3 Special Edition

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Sep 14, 2017 10:07 |  #41

Yes, the new 'Nifty-fifty' is one sharp lens! I'd get it any day over the 50 1.4.


Getting better at this - Fuji Xt-2 - Fuji X-Pro2 - 18-55 - 35 f2 WR - 50-140 - 6D - 135L - 70-200 f4L IS - 600EX-RT x2 - ST-E3-RT - flickr (external link) - www.scottaticephoto.co​m (external link)

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Sep 14, 2017 10:08 |  #42

I regret selling my 35 f2 last month. In the switch to Fuji I thought I'd never need it but since I'm keeping my 6D for a bit I really miss it. Such an excellent lens.


Getting better at this - Fuji Xt-2 - Fuji X-Pro2 - 18-55 - 35 f2 WR - 50-140 - 6D - 135L - 70-200 f4L IS - 600EX-RT x2 - ST-E3-RT - flickr (external link) - www.scottaticephoto.co​m (external link)

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Sep 14, 2017 10:28 |  #43

Thanks for your continued input.




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Sep 14, 2017 14:26 |  #44

As a walk around lens for a crop body the EF-S 15-85 IS is *very* hard to beat IMO.


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Sep 14, 2017 20:47 |  #45

agree with sidknee,

the EF-S 15-85 is a good lens and pair with the 70-200mm f/2,8 or f/4
for ultra wide angle, the EF-S 10-18mm is good and affordable.

another glass I like is:

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Canon 7D Mark II | BG-E16 | Canon EF-S 10-18mm | Sigma DC 18-35mm ART |
Canon Speedlite 430EX III-RT |
Olympus E-PL3 | M.Zuiko ED 7-14mm PRO
Manfrotto BeFree Travel Tripod |
Tenba DNA 15 Messenger | Think Tank Photo Digital Holster 40v2.0 | Speed Changer v2.0

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