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Sep 27, 2017 09:33 |  #31

bobbyz wrote in post #18461149 (external link)
Any BTW - Godox triggers have both options, HyperSync as well as True HSS.

I think that you do want to write Longburn instead of HyperSync because the latest is a tuned version which takes in account the type of camera and type of flash you use and their settings. In the Godox trigger you have to set manually after each change of shutter-time and flash intensity.

True HSS is that pre-sync and blinking light?

More info on HyperSync: http://wiki.pocketwiza​rd.com/index.php?title​=HyperSync (external link)


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Sep 27, 2017 11:49 |  #32

RDKirk wrote in post #18461319 (external link)
By what measures or information, specifically, do you predict that Phottix will last longer (even 10 times longer) than Godox?

Functions the same as of day one. Like the Elinchrom’s I have - some are 25 years old. No worries. I’ve got a friend with a no-name strobe that must be 35 or more years old.

IMO Quality means meeting factory spec. You can design stuff that won’t last as long at less cost. And vice versa. No harm, no foul.

Poor quality means not meeting that spec regardless. That’s what impacts reputation. Quality control is a leadership item. Lots of moving pieces here.

So does Support and after-market accessories.


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Sep 27, 2017 12:01 |  #33

Angmo wrote in post #18461484 (external link)
Functions the same as of day one. Like the Elinchrom’s I have - some are 25 years old. No worries. I’ve got a friend with a no-name strobe that must be 35 or more years old.

IMO Quality means meeting factory spec. You can design stuff that won’t last as long at less cost. And vice versa. No harm, no foul.

Poor quality means not meeting that spec regardless. That’s what impacts reputation. Quality control is a leadership item. Lots of moving pieces here.

So does Support and after-market accessories.

You didn't answer the question.




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Sep 27, 2017 12:04 |  #34

RDKirk wrote in post #18461495 (external link)
You didn't answer the question.

Gut feel. It’s just an opinion.

Based on just a tad of electronics mfg experience (semiconductor through consumer electronics) and having lived in Asia for a very long time.

YMMV


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Sep 27, 2017 12:39 |  #35

I am okay buying cheaper and using the equipment for 5 years, then selling it and buying new again. I lose very little doing this carefully through the years, which makes my "rental" very low, and I also get all the newest gadgets/goodies. I could drive a 25 year old classic too, but it would be 25 years old with the lack of all the advances and it could be built better than things now perhaps, but I don't run my life that way. I rarely keep a car for more than 5 years, and in rare cases, I might keep them 10 years. Electronics are on a tighter leash than that.

So spending $300 per AD200 and AD360 means I have less than $1000 invested, the AD360s have lasted me a couple of major annual portrait shoots, etc. and hope the AD200 do as well. In a few years, I will sell these off, lose about $100 per and move to new stuff. I just need the quality to be good enough to last 5 or less years.


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Sep 27, 2017 13:11 |  #36

I'm still heavily invested in Paul C Buff, but since I've moved from my studio and doing a lot more work in the great outdoors, I looked at the need for HSS to bring more of my studio light control with me.

It's pretty hard to determine with significant rationality what constitutes "reliability" and "longevity." One could purchase on the presumption of "you get what you pay for," but I don't know that real experience bears that out--not enough actual data available. Nobody is testing flash equipment and collecting user data the way Consumer Reports does for automobiles.

How survivable are units from, say, a five-foot fall to concrete when a stand tips over? Who is going to do that testing between flash units? Is Profoto more survivable to impact than Godox? Or--if we're afraid of falls--do we have to carry spares for either one? In that case, may as well go with the brand that we can afford to buy spares of.

As Teamspeed points out, ultimate longevity may not even be a relevant factor, except as a pointer to shot-to-shot reliability, when considering technical advancements. Indeed, the only reason I've looked beyond Paul C Buff is because I've finally become convinced that Paul Buff himself was their only innovation engine--and he's dead.

Some things are happening at DynaLite--their Baja line looks interesting, but as far as I can see, they still don't do HSS. But again, when you're looking at new designs at the mid-price level, you're looking at Chinese-made stuff with unknown production factors. The Chinese can put electronics on the moon, but are they putting that quality into electronic flash? Which ones?

Customer support is my big concern, but I don't particularly see a deciding-factor difference in customer support from the moderately priced offerings from any company except Paul C. Buff. Getting the equal of Buff with any other company takes two or three times the money.




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Sep 27, 2017 16:30 |  #37

RDKirk wrote in post #18461552 (external link)
I'm still heavily invested in Paul C Buff, but since I've moved from my studio and doing a lot more work in the great outdoors, I looked at the need for HSS to bring more of my studio light control with me.

It's pretty hard to determine with significant rationality what constitutes "reliability" and "longevity." One could purchase on the presumption of "you get what you pay for," but I don't know that real experience bears that out--not enough actual data available. Nobody is testing flash equipment and collecting user data the way Consumer Reports does for automobiles.

How survivable are units from, say, a five-foot fall to concrete when a stand tips over? Who is going to do that testing between flash units? Is Profoto more survivable to impact than Godox? Or--if we're afraid of falls--do we have to carry spares for either one? In that case, may as well go with the brand that we can afford to buy spares of.

As Teamspeed points out, ultimate longevity may not even be a relevant factor, except as a pointer to shot-to-shot reliability, when considering technical advancements. Indeed, the only reason I've looked beyond Paul C Buff is because I've finally become convinced that Paul Buff himself was their only innovation engine--and he's dead.

Some things are happening at DynaLite--their Baja line looks interesting, but as far as I can see, they still don't do HSS. But again, when you're looking at new designs at the mid-price level, you're looking at Chinese-made stuff with unknown production factors. The Chinese can put electronics on the moon, but are they putting that quality into electronic flash? Which ones?

Customer support is my big concern, but I don't particularly see a deciding-factor difference in customer support from the moderately priced offerings from any company except Paul C. Buff. Getting the equal of Buff with any other company takes two or three times the money.

I would say that the AD 600 + extension head would outlast any regular top mount head in regards to falls.

if it werent for the extension head, I'de probably still be shooting an old rovelight. With the head, I'm just not that concerned about a tipover, the unit sits near the floor, and only the bulb is at top.


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Sep 27, 2017 16:37 |  #38

Charlie wrote in post #18461703 (external link)
I would say that the AD 600 + extension head would outlast any regular top mount head in regards to falls.

if it werent for the extension head, I'de probably still be shooting an old rovelight. With the head, I'm just not that concerned about a tipover, the unit sits near the floor, and only the bulb is at top.

True, and I do have one, but I was think in general of resistance to mistreatment.




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Sep 27, 2017 16:51 |  #39

I love the extension head feature of the AD600. Yes you do loose some power (1/3 of a stop from my tests) but makes life so much easier.


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Sep 27, 2017 17:09 |  #40

Does anyone here carry an AD600 around in a regular camera bag? I've been contemplating getting one (or two) but I already feel like it's a bit of work to fit my gear in a bag along with my AD360.


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Sep 27, 2017 21:24 |  #41

Scatterbrained wrote in post #18461721 (external link)
Does anyone here carry an AD600 around in a regular camera bag? I've been contemplating getting one (or two) but I already feel like it's a bit of work to fit my gear in a bag along with my AD360.

I carry mine along with the extension head in a Paul Buff White Lightning bag.




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Sep 27, 2017 22:15 |  #42

RDKirk wrote in post #18461552 (external link)
I'm still heavily invested in Paul C Buff, but since I've moved from my studio and doing a lot more work in the great outdoors, I looked at the need for HSS to bring more of my studio light control with me.

It's pretty hard to determine with significant rationality what constitutes "reliability" and "longevity." One could purchase on the presumption of "you get what you pay for," but I don't know that real experience bears that out--not enough actual data available. Nobody is testing flash equipment and collecting user data the way Consumer Reports does for automobiles.

How survivable are units from, say, a five-foot fall to concrete when a stand tips over? Who is going to do that testing between flash units? Is Profoto more survivable to impact than Godox? Or--if we're afraid of falls--do we have to carry spares for either one? In that case, may as well go with the brand that we can afford to buy spares of.

As Teamspeed points out, ultimate longevity may not even be a relevant factor, except as a pointer to shot-to-shot reliability, when considering technical advancements. Indeed, the only reason I've looked beyond Paul C Buff is because I've finally become convinced that Paul Buff himself was their only innovation engine--and he's dead.

Some things are happening at DynaLite--their Baja line looks interesting, but as far as I can see, they still don't do HSS. But again, when you're looking at new designs at the mid-price level, you're looking at Chinese-made stuff with unknown production factors. The Chinese can put electronics on the moon, but are they putting that quality into electronic flash? Which ones?

Customer support is my big concern, but I don't particularly see a deciding-factor difference in customer support from the moderately priced offerings from any company except Paul C. Buff. Getting the equal of Buff with any other company takes two or three times the money.

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I use multiple 1,000ws lights so $200 cheapie is not getting it for me. They all generate photons. Many features are marketing.

All I Need is a photon generator. That’s the only feature that counts do me. I don’t do TTL. I’m manual mostly. I do use HS. With my old strobes. With an HS trigger.


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Sep 27, 2017 23:35 |  #43

So let us get back to the original question of which Godox equipment to buy...


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Sep 28, 2017 00:20 |  #44

Charlie wrote in post #18460459 (external link)
TT350 + 685, unfortunately, it's brand dependent.

however AD200 is not, and looks good. In a perfect world, AD200 x 2 + AD600 or whatever it's called + extension head. That would get you a COMPLETE kit for most portrait scenarios.

Exactly

Two ad200 with twin head bracket
One ad600 with extension head
Xpro trigger.

This would be an amazing setup that would pay for themselves over and over again.


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Sep 28, 2017 00:40 |  #45

That seems to be the common recommendation.
As an outdoor setup would you need a light meter for this?
and ttl or manual?


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