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Stalking vs. Waiting ... tips for a wildlife newbie

 
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Oct 29, 2017 17:32 as a reply to post 18484154 |  #31

Thank you, Martin.


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Nov 02, 2017 17:42 |  #32

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The 400 F 5.6 is no slouch, I wouldn't completely disregard it.

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Nov 02, 2017 18:10 |  #33

Sgt. wrote in post #18487202 (external link)

The 400 F 5.6 is no slouch, I wouldn't completely disregard it.

Very nice.... I just couldn't get a decent photo when I had the 400 f/5.6. I did buy it used but from a reliable camera store, so I don't think that was the problem. I suspect it was me.

I didn't have it long.... I traded it back in to the same store when I bought my 100-400L ii.

Still, like your photograph, I've seen some great stuff from it. It's a very inexpensive way to get into wildlife/birding photography, that's for sure.


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Nov 02, 2017 18:32 |  #34

MalVeauX wrote in post #18484154 (external link)
I will also, again, champion the 300 F4L IS with a 1.4x TC as an alternative to the 400 F5.6L approach.

I'm not affiliated nor part of the ad, but there's a 300F4L IS in the classifieds right now for less than $600 and it's immaculate. I would go with that and a TC. I recommend it as I have the very lens and have used it with TC and having IS makes it a really versatile lens. I absolutely would go 300 F4L IS with a TC over 400 F5.6 if I did it over again. I use my 300 F4L is for wildlife more than my 600mm. It's just such a great, light weight, fast, sharp, versatile lens.

It focuses fast, it's sharp, close focus range which is really helpful sometimes, and handles a TC very nicely, giving you a 420mm F5.6 IS lens basically.

For an anecdotal evidence example, here's the 300 F4L IS with a Kenko 1.4x TC handling an extremely fast flying Royal Tern flying right at me and how the lens and TC were able to not only keep focus at that crazy velocity, but also still nail it sharp, at very close distance (even harder; farther away is so much easier):

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For wildlife that is not moving super fast, stopping down and chilling with a tripod some where, you'll have crazy sharp images.

Very best,


I have to agree. I bought the 400mm F/5.6 and loved it (still do). I then spoke to many who owned the 300mm F/4 + 1.4x, and their results were just as sharp as my 400mm, and that is with the 1.4x attached. Since then, I've been shooting for a newspaper. The 400mm on a crop sensor is actually too close most of the time when shooting baseball & football. If faced with the same decision today, the 300mm + 1.4x III would be the choice.

In line with the OP's question, I will have to choose "none of the above". When it comes to wildlife I suggest the best approach is luck. Now I believe you create your own LUCK. I once got to spend 3+ hours, only 3 feet from a newborn fawn. How did I get this opportunity? I left very early one morning to photograph the Osprey in a nearby lake. I found this fawn on a back road, and never even made it to the lake. I guess my basic point is you'll never get incredible wildlife shots from your couch.




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Nov 03, 2017 16:38 as a reply to Phoenixkh's post |  #35

Thats too bad, I have gotten lots of good stuff with it.
My 14 yr. old daughter uses it now since I got the 100-400 MKII.:-P


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Nov 03, 2017 22:15 |  #36

Sgt. wrote in post #18487877 (external link)
Thats too bad, I have gotten lots of good stuff with it.
My 14 yr. old daughter uses it now since I got the 100-400 MKII.:-P

I know so many people who achieve amazing results with the 400 f/5.6. I have no idea why I struggled so much.

The very first photo I took with the 100-400Lii was so clear, I was hooked. I've had and continue to have lots of fun with it.

And, btw, I'm also in the Pondrader fan club.


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Nov 11, 2017 09:01 |  #37

Great advice so far. Being handicapped it was harder for me to walk but I used to walk around same locations and watch birds, how they behave, what perches they use. A few times I would setup my hide (like the one Martin showed). If you watch Alan Murphy on naturescapes.net most of his shots are setup unlike being out in the wild. Regarding 400mm f5.6, only once in 2-3 yrs that I had it that a green heron came so close where MFD was an issue. I just sold another copy of it for dirt cheap 2 weeks ago. Florida birds are easier to get to so go visit that place.


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