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Bassat
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Aug 16, 2017 12:26 |  #31

Boy, that sounds more like you do have an issue with the 60D. Things get old, wear out, and the like. Jeez, I've never kept a digital SLR long enough for anything to go wrong with it! :) I've had my 6D almost 5 years, and it is still going strong after 30k clicks. I did keep most of my film cameras until the took their last gasps. Just bought another one of those, too!

Anyway, if you are still deciding on an upgrade to the 60D, I can't say enough good stuff about the 80D. I've had mine for about 9 months and I am really happy with it all the way around. I bought it to replace my 1DIV; it does everything I ask it to do, ... and a bit more. The 80D will focus in light that would make a 1DIV break down and cry.

To be totally honest, I think I should have spent the little bit extra and gotten the 7D2. It is way more customize-able than the 80D. If I were buying a camera now, and money were no object, I'd be getting a 5D4, or maybe a 1DX2, or... crap, there I go, again. Happy deciding.


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Aug 16, 2017 12:58 as a reply to Bassat's post |  #32

Thankfully it was a small # of shots, but much more than I would have expected given the more than adequate shutter speeds and focus confirmation beep. I was still able to get some decent shots but it's disappointing because the scenery was incredible and I did miss some good shots.

I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about the 80D. Seems like a great camera. :-)


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Aug 18, 2017 07:34 |  #33

Tom when it comes to AF performance a filter won't reduce the f/number that you are working with, so in the case of an f/2.8 lens you will have access to all of the high precision points, as well as the f/4, f/5.6 and even the f/8 points. The f ratio limits for AF are actually based on the observed width of the aperture opening at the AF sensor, and the filter will not change that. Of course if you change the focal length of the lens, say with a teleconverter, that will change the apparent diameter of the aperture.

Of course a filter will reduce the amount of light that is reaching the AF sensor, and as we know from the specifications the AF needs a certain level of light to work. In the case of the 60D that is 0EV at ISO 100 (all EV ratings in spec sheets are given with relation to ISO 100 so I will not mention that again). EV 0 is actually a really easy value to remember since it is 1 second at f/1, at the specified ISO. So the 60D can focus in conditions that would give 1s @ f/1, which is also 8s @ f/2.8. So if you get an exposure above that level with the filter in place the AF should work as normally expected, based on the aperture of the lens.

The great advantage of the 80D and later AF modules is that they will work at -3EV, so that is an exposure of 8s @ f/1, or 30s @ f/4, I went to f/4 since you would need to go to bulb for any wider aperture! Remember thought as above this is all at ISO 100. You will need to be shooting in manual exposure mode at these EV levels though since IIRC the camera's metering system only works down to EV+1.

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Aug 18, 2017 07:48 |  #34

As Wilt found out in his testing, the advertised light level for metering to be effective is often different than what Canon publishes. There seems to be wiggle room between reality and the published specs, at least on some models. Wilt went to a 7D2 and despite what the manual stated, his camera did better than those specs.


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Aug 18, 2017 09:46 |  #35

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Tom when it comes to AF performance a filter won't reduce the f/number that you are working with, so in the case of an f/2.8 lens you will have access to all of the high precision points, as well as the f/4, f/5.6 and even the f/8 points. The f ratio limits for AF are actually based on the observed width of the aperture opening at the AF sensor, and the filter will not change that. Of course if you change the focal length of the lens, say with a teleconverter, that will change the apparent diameter of the aperture.

Of course a filter will reduce the amount of light that is reaching the AF sensor, and as we know from the specifications the AF needs a certain level of light to work. In the case of the 60D that is 0EV at ISO 100 (all EV ratings in spec sheets are given with relation to ISO 100 so I will not mention that again). EV 0 is actually a really easy value to remember since it is 1 second at f/1, at the specified ISO. So the 60D can focus in conditions that would give 1s @ f/1, which is also 8s @ f/2.8. So if you get an exposure above that level with the filter in place the AF should work as normally expected, based on the aperture of the lens.

The great advantage of the 80D and later AF modules is that they will work at -3EV, so that is an exposure of 8s @ f/1, or 30s @ f/4, I went to f/4 since you would need to go to bulb for any wider aperture! Remember thought as above this is all at ISO 100. You will need to be shooting in manual exposure mode at these EV levels though since IIRC the camera's metering system only works down to EV+1.

Alan

I just had to go outside and play with this. In bright sunshine, 6D/70-200 f/4L IS/all my ND filters (4+3+2 stop)/CPL. You are absolutely right. The camera locked focus as quickly as with no filters. Metering was wildly inaccurate. Camera suggested 1/200, f/5.6, ISO 1250. Actual (manual) exposure 1/60, f/4, ISO 25600.

Not that it matters, because this is so unrealistic, but is trial and error the only metering method when the camera fails to meter properly?


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Nov 03, 2017 08:29 |  #36

Well, something might finally happen…… I have a pending sale on my 60D for tomorrow morning. I’m kind of having mixed feelings about it all. It will be nice to upgrade but I just recently had a few photos from the 60D enlarged and was very happy with how they came out.

I’m going to hold off for a little while before picking up something else. In the meantime I’ll have my partners G15 to use. I’m almost positive it will be the 80D that I get but will wait to see if there are any Black Friday or Boxing Day (Canadian post Xmas) sales. I’m also curious about the rumored 7D3 but don’t think I can wait that long.


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Nov 03, 2017 09:07 |  #37

Speaking of sales, what's the prevailing wisdom as to what is likely to be the best deal on an 80D -- holiday sales, refurbs, wait for the 90D to get released...

I'm in sort of a similar boat. I bought a used 60D on here back in late summer. Two months later the shutter fails and unit bricks up. Canon Service quotes ~$500 for repair, which leaves me in a quandary. Part it out? That’s no fun. The worst part of this is that my wife will be much less likely to give me the green light on private seller camera purchases in the future. Meh. Play the game, take your chances. I have an SL1 to tide me over until I upgrade, so there's no real rush.

Maybe I should start a contest as to the most creative ways to, ummm, dispose of a body. ;)

Paperweight?

Wheel chock for my boat trailer?

Gut it, fill it with dirt and make a mini-flowerpot?

Viking-style funeral pyre? (how much magnesium is in that body, anyway!)

Fill it with molten lead and use it as a canoe anchor?

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Nov 03, 2017 09:56 |  #38

People will buy broken cameras on eBay.


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Nov 03, 2017 14:29 |  #39

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18487618 (external link)
People will buy broken cameras on eBay.

Oh, yes they will! I sold a broken 500D for $175 back when the 600D was new.


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Nov 03, 2017 15:40 |  #40

percopsis wrote in post #18487585 (external link)
I bought a used 60D on here back in late summer. Two months later the shutter fails and unit bricks up. Canon Service quotes ~$500 for repair, which leaves me in a quandary.

Search out some of the better known independent repair shops. I suspect you can get a new shutter in the 60D for much less than $500. I used Chicago Camera a few years back. Although not a digital, they did nice work and were reasonable. See http://www.chicagocame​raspecialists.com/ (external link).

Another repair shop is United. See http://www.unitedcamer​a.com/store/item.aspx?​ItemId=134 (external link)




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Nov 04, 2017 07:04 |  #41

Just sold my 60D. Now I wait for a deal on an 80D.


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Nov 04, 2017 07:37 |  #42

shane_c wrote in post #18488258 (external link)
Just sold my 60D. Now I wait for a deal on an 80D.

Have family or friends in the US?

https://shop.usa.canon​.com ...&pageView:grid&page​Size:& (external link)

Shipping of just the camera items without the box (you don't want the box anyways, it is a nondescript brown box) through USPS as used equipment (because it is) won't cost very much. Not sure what the exchange rate does to the final cost for you though.

Heck if you bought this and had it shipped to my house, and covered the actual shipping charges and insurance to you, I probably would do it. :)


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Nov 04, 2017 08:13 as a reply to TeamSpeed's post |  #43

Thanks for the link. It works out to around $1020 Canadian. I've seen a few open box ones in the range up here.


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