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Macro ring flash vs off camera flash for reptile photography?

 
orionmystery
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Nov 04, 2017 04:50 |  #16

I use a single 270EX on hotshoe and DIY diffuser for my herp photography the past few years! Both with 60mm macro and 15mm wide angle macro lens.

It looks something like this (external link):

IMAGE: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8483/8284000386_6bc1f13223_c.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/dC2E​GS] (external link)20121217_233132-copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

Sample images:

IMAGE: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/350/31868043102_97ce8a2584_o.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Qy53​X1] (external link)Dendrelaphis cyanochloris_MG_5346 copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

IMAGE: https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1459/24493737792_0ff71a54b9_o.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/DjqN​U1] (external link)Ptychozoon kuhli_MG_7057 copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

IMAGE: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/384/19576453809_86ee822637_o.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/vPUr​FF] (external link)_MG_0948 copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

Kurt, 70D/40D, Laowa 15mm, 60mm F2/270EX, MP-E65/MT-24EX for full flash (external link), Sigma 150 +1.4x TC for natural light (external link).
Plan a macro/herping trip with us:
Borneo Herp Tour Nov 2017 (external link)

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Nov 04, 2017 10:49 |  #17

Keep in mind first of all the PURPOSE of your photo...if it is for scientific documentation, then the 'flat directionless' macro ring light is what you are after.

But if the purpose is to make an aesthetically pleasing photo -- in essence a 'portrait' of the critter -- then you do NOT WANT 'flat directionless', you want to 'model' the critter with the perception of directionality of the light, with a bit of Fill to make the shadows not excessively dark, and with Main seemingly off to one side (directional) which is what a macro twin light setup can offer (with Fill outputting less power than the Main)


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Nov 04, 2017 11:20 |  #18

orionmystery wrote in post #18488205 (external link)
I use a single 270EX on hotshoe and DIY diffuser for my herp photography the past few years! Both with 60mm macro and 15mm wide angle macro lens.

It looks something like this (external link):

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/dC2E​GS] (external link)20121217_233132-copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

Sample images:

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Qy53​X1] (external link)Dendrelaphis cyanochloris_MG_5346 copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/DjqN​U1] (external link)Ptychozoon kuhli_MG_7057 copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/vPUr​FF] (external link)_MG_0948 copy (external link) by Kurt (Orionmystery) G (external link), on Flickr

what is the working distance of your lens?




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orionmystery
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Nov 05, 2017 00:05 |  #19

davholla wrote in post #18488431 (external link)
what is the working distance of your lens?

Snake image - Laowa 15mm - 4.7mm working distance at 1:1 but of course I don't do 1:1 with that lens.

Gecko images - 60mm macro, 4 inches working distance at 1:1


Kurt, 70D/40D, Laowa 15mm, 60mm F2/270EX, MP-E65/MT-24EX for full flash (external link), Sigma 150 +1.4x TC for natural light (external link).
Plan a macro/herping trip with us:
Borneo Herp Tour Nov 2017 (external link)

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Nov 05, 2017 16:01 |  #20

orionmystery wrote in post #18488916 (external link)
Snake image - Laowa 15mm - 4.7mm working distance at 1:1 but of course I don't do 1:1 with that lens.

Gecko images - 60mm macro, 4 inches working distance at 1:1

Interesting my 60mm macro has a similar working distance as yours but I find a set up like yours does not work because it the light goes to the wrong place - it could be because my 60mm is a lot smaller (I only use a ring with my 65mm lens).




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Pigpen101
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Nov 05, 2017 17:01 as a reply to davholla's post |  #21

I own the cheaper version of the Yongnuo ring flash ($100), do NOT buy it. Even though I haven't used the model your talking about, I would stay away just from the experience I've had with mine. The latch on the battery door breaks easily and it is well documented on the web.




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davholla
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Nov 06, 2017 02:44 |  #22

Pigpen101 wrote in post #18489437 (external link)
I own the cheaper version of the Yongnuo ring flash ($100), do NOT buy it. Even though I haven't used the model your talking about, I would stay away just from the experience I've had with mine. The latch on the battery door breaks easily and it is well documented on the web.

I have that problem and it is a pain to fix - I am going to try putting a screw in it. Or I might have to replace it.




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orionmystery
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Nov 06, 2017 05:34 |  #23

davholla wrote in post #18489696 (external link)
I have that problem and it is a pain to fix - I am going to try putting a screw in it. Or I might have to replace it.

Maybe just use a long, thick rubber band to secure it in place!


Kurt, 70D/40D, Laowa 15mm, 60mm F2/270EX, MP-E65/MT-24EX for full flash (external link), Sigma 150 +1.4x TC for natural light (external link).
Plan a macro/herping trip with us:
Borneo Herp Tour Nov 2017 (external link)

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davholla
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Nov 06, 2017 05:49 |  #24

orionmystery wrote in post #18489732 (external link)
Maybe just use a long, thick rubber band to secure it in place!

Good idea.




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Pigpen101
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Nov 06, 2017 14:11 |  #25

davholla wrote in post #18489696 (external link)
I have that problem and it is a pain to fix - I am going to try putting a screw in it. Or I might have to replace it.

I use a Velcro strap or gum band. I e-mailed Yongnuo and never heard a word back. I own 4 other manual Yongnou flashes & 1 ETTL. Never a problem with any but I will NEVER buy another of their products due to them simply ignoring me.




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davholla
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Nov 07, 2017 03:10 |  #26

Pigpen101 wrote in post #18490133 (external link)
I use a Velcro strap or gum band. I e-mailed Yongnuo and never heard a word back. I own 4 other manual Yongnou flashes & 1 ETTL. Never a problem with any but I will NEVER buy another of their products due to them simply ignoring me.

I have tried velcro and it is not that easy to get right (well I cannot do so because it doesn't stay shut). How did you do it?




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Nov 07, 2017 08:58 |  #27

I use tape and either paper or foam plates even. I tape stuff to the lens hood so I can take it off if needed without tearing up the tape.

I keep it simple and light these days.

I have done the whole big frankenstein setups. They're just a pain. Especially out in the dark.

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Here's some of my older setups (I don't do this anymore) to giggle at:

Ring light for getting focus, heavy arm, bracket, flash with small softbox, etc. So heavy.

IMAGE: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5523/14351416688_601a08c120.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/nSbL​bL] (external link)IMG_1800 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

Bigger softbox, 2:1 telephoto macro setup, heavy as heck, for day time stuff.

IMAGE: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5555/14923651367_3c6b6f96da.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/oJKB​BV] (external link)IMG_5147 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

The ultimate in silliness, I wanted a big apparent light source so I made a huge concave softbox, magic arm on lens collar, big long macro prime, flash, etc. Ugh! Nice light... but ugh!

IMAGE: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/386/20225595000_cfe829abff.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/wPgs​Kb] (external link)IMG_4668 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

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Here's my basic setup that I use these days:

Tape, foam board/plate, flash on shoe without crazy arms and stuff, tinfoil cardboard bounce card. Simple. Light.

And I totally copied Kurt's setup. Because his macro lighting is simply the best.

IMAGE: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5791/20521291916_6b07d8e46f.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/xgoZ​8S] (external link)IMG_8174 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

IMAGE: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5722/20069393824_29503e6673_c.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/wzsT​zs] (external link)IMG_8384 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

IMAGE: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/644/20674872864_8de047d026_c.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/xuY8​pf] (external link)IMG_8745 (external link) by Martin Wise (external link), on Flickr

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Nov 07, 2017 16:03 |  #28

davholla wrote in post #18490581 (external link)
I have tried velcro and it is not that easy to get right (well I cannot do so because it doesn't stay shut). How did you do it?

It's not easy, but the Velcro strap I use is also elastic so I can pull it very tight. It takes some work so I make sure I have fresh batteries in it and get it set up before I leave the house so I don't have to piss with it in the field.




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Nov 13, 2017 10:47 |  #29

So after doing some more reading, and finding one for a good used price, I got an essentially brand new Venus KX-800 macro flash. It looks funny, but has 2 adjustable arms, is light weight, and extremely simple for me to use. Now I just need to figure out an equally lightweight diffuser that wont be too obstructive when hiking.




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