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OviV
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Dec 04, 2017 09:57 |  #1

I have not been on here in a long time because my wife and I decided to get rid of most of our equipment due to time. She now wants a camera to do casual photography. We already have a a few Canon lenses so we'll stick with Canon but I have been out of it too long to know what is out there.

What we need:

1) Small and light. One of her biggest complaints was that most of our more professional equipment was too bulky.
2) Won't break the bank. Trying to stay under $1k for a simple kit. Like I said, we already have lenses but would like to get a kit with a fairly wide utility zoom.
3) Allow for full manual modes.
4) Good video (at least 1080p) and still 12 mp or better.
5) Mostly be used for landscape and family photography.

What we don't need:

1) Not for professional so does not need to be rugged. Portability is more important.

Please recommend and if possible provide pros and cons of your recommendation.

Ovi


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Dec 04, 2017 10:08 |  #2

Sounds like a SL2 or T7i would be a perfect fit. All the image quality of the big cameras in a small package. Not as feature rich as say an 80D but not that stripped down either. Compare them at the Canon site (external link).


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Dec 04, 2017 10:20 |  #3

Can she live without a rear control dial? From what you've said I assume that the previous Canon cameras that she used had one. The smallest cameras in Canon's lineup don't. Personally, I would never even consider a Rebel just due to the lack of that feature. I had a 6D for a while and it was hard enough to live with it's lack of a joystick. She of course may be willing to accept those sorts of limitations in pursuit of portability.




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Dec 04, 2017 10:21 as a reply to ShadowHillsPhoto's post |  #4

I may have more of a problem with that but for my wife I think she'll adapt well. Portability is the main thing for her.


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Dec 04, 2017 10:39 |  #5

Quick question, what do you guys think about the M series? Can I use standard EF/EF-S lenses with M series?


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Dec 04, 2017 10:50 as a reply to OviV's post |  #6

I've got an M5 and I love it. It can use all Canon lenses, EF and EF-S with the adapter and M lenses nativly. For the type of photography you have mentioned it will be perfect but if you want to do a lot of fast moving stuff then not so much.


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Dec 04, 2017 10:52 |  #7

OviV wrote in post #18510253 (external link)
Quick question, what do you guys think about the M series? Can I use standard EF/EF-S lenses with M series?

I've had a chance to play with both the Sl1 and the M5 and I preferred the SL1. Size wise they were not all that different but the Sl1/SL2 (external link) was just a peppier camera all around. Focused quicker, easier to change setting and such.


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Dec 04, 2017 11:05 |  #8

The M series can use your current lenses. It will be the smallest Canon you can carry around with an APS-C sized sensor and interchangeable lenses. The M3 and later are decent. With a basic adapter you can use EF & EF-S lenses natively. You can also grab a small M series lens too, if you want. There are nice ultrawides for the M mount and the 22mm F2 pancake, so you can have a very small foot print and it slides into a bag, but is still very modern and decent and does video and all that. The M3 and later will be if you want to keep it as small as possible. The M5 is if you want more of a classic camera look/feel with controls and not just a LCD for that. Also the mirrorless cameras are quieter, no mirror slapping around, if you care about that.

To really benefit from being portable you need smaller lenses though, something to consider.

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Dec 06, 2017 05:36 |  #9

OviV wrote in post #18510253 (external link)
Quick question, what do you guys think about the M series? Can I use standard EF/EF-S lenses with M series?

It depends - can you live without the optical view finder? Personally, I could not. It did produce great photos, though.

I also had the SL1, which itself was pretty good. Sold both EOS M and SL1 and switched to the T6i about a year ago. I love it. The size, the capabilities, the images it produces. I bought it refurbished from Canon with both STM kit lens for about $600.00.

Recently Canon had the T7i with kit lens refurbished for only $500. Pretty hard to beat that sort of deal. The Rebel series have evolved greatly since my very first T1i.

But all three cameras, the EOS M series, the SL series and the later Rebels are all worthy cameras. It depends on your preferences for what fits the bill for you.

No matter the choice, I don't think you can go wrong.


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Dec 06, 2017 08:23 |  #10

OviV wrote in post #18510253 (external link)
Quick question, what do you guys think about the M series? Can I use standard EF/EF-S lenses with M series?

Don't forget the Canon refurbished offerings. See https://shop.usa.canon​.com ...d-eos-digital-slr-cameras (external link). "M" series starts on page 3 and currently the M5 body only is $729 and the M6 is $630.

If you are not familiar with the Canon refurbs most people report they are literally like new. They have the same warranty as new and a liberal exchange policy. I bought a 60D about 4 years ago and it came with 40 something shutter actuations on it. Later I got an 80D and it had about 100 as best I recall.




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Dec 06, 2017 08:41 |  #11

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Dec 06, 2017 10:05 |  #12

Just to add my voice, this basically is the spec sheet for the Canon SL1. I don't know Nikon as well, but the SL1 is bonkers small. Give it a close look if you haven't already. Downside is that it is a 1.6x sensor, so you aren't going to get the wides if you are using a regular EF lens.




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Dec 06, 2017 10:20 |  #13

If you want to shoot much action, I would recommend a DSLR. If you are thinking of the M series, try one before you buy it. They don't have quite the AF speed of a DSLR. I actually went from the original M to the SL1 bc of the horrible AF of the M. I hear the M series AF has gotten better though.
Another downside of the M. You say portability is important, unless you are using the M mount lenses, you will need an adapter (which adds a decent amount of length) to use your other canon lenses.

I would not buy an M unless you are going to get the M5 with the built in view finder (or M6 and add the EVF), bc the AF speed is as good as you can get on an M right now. Even then, I'm not sure it is up to par with the AF speed of a DSLR. But then you are paying more. I think, for your use and price, you will get the most for your money with an SL1.

From experience, I can recommend the Canon SL1 (or SL2 if you want the newer version but more $$$)

We love our SL1 for random everyday use and for travel.

We like to pair it with the 24mm 2.8 pancake for ultimate portability. I also like it with the 18-135 STM, but it is great with any canon lens really.

BTW, an SL1 is basically a compact T5


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Dec 06, 2017 10:57 |  #14

BlakeC wrote in post #18511891 (external link)
If you want to shoot much action, I would recommend a DSLR. If you are thinking of the M series, try one before you buy it. They don't have quite the AF speed of a DSLR. I actually went from the original M to the SL1 bc of the horrible AF of the M. I hear the M series AF has gotten better though.
Another downside of the M. You say portability is important, unless you are using the M mount lenses, you will need an adapter (which adds a decent amount of length) to use your other canon lenses.

I would not buy an M unless you are going to get the M5 with the built in view finder (or M6 and add the EVF), bc the AF speed is as good as you can get on an M right now. Even then, I'm not sure it is up to par with the AF speed of a DSLR. But then you are paying more. I think, for your use and price, you will get the most for your money with an SL1.

From experience, I can recommend the Canon SL1 (or SL2 if you want the newer version but more $$$)

We love our SL1 for random everyday use and for travel.

We like to pair it with the 24mm 2.8 pancake for ultimate portability. I also like it with the 18-135 STM, but it is great with any canon lens really.

BTW, an SL1 is basically a compact T5

the newer M's use canon's DPAF, which should be on par with the best mirrorless available. World of a difference compared to the original M.... I still have that as well, my kids occasionally use and abuse it.

while the M's collection of lenses is rather simple, it does offer a lot if your goal is small and light.

not sure if budget will allow, but the M + 11-22 + 18-55 will be small and may be enough and good enough.

this can be expanded to the 22 + adapted 50mm for low light. It's a rather full collection that's pretty small.

even keeping it to one lens is possible, 15-45....

not really sexy, but it's small and high quality.


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Dec 06, 2017 11:05 |  #15

Charlie wrote in post #18511950 (external link)
the newer M's use canon's DPAF, which should be on par with the best mirrorless available. World of a difference compared to the original M.... I still have that as well, my kids occasionally use and abuse it.

I did read that when the M5 came out. I love the look and feel of the M series. Still need to get my hands on one and try it out. I swore I would never get another M until they drastically improved the AF. Putting DPAF in the M5 sounds like a drastic improvement to me!


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