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hennie
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Jun 26, 2013 17:07 |  #1

Recently was asked to shoot at my local music / art / theatre institute during two weeks in a row.

Some samples:

IMAGE: http://www.henniekleijwegt.nl/ZF2013/ZF2013A/ZF2013A-00416.jpg

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Jun 27, 2013 10:49 |  #2

Great composition. But looks like you might have had an ISO issue for low lighting situations. What camera were you using?


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Jun 27, 2013 13:52 |  #3

A 7D.
Light was not very low, but hard to get proper exposure because only part of the scene was lit.
Tried to avoid ISO above 1250 wich sometimes lead to under-exposure, corrected in PP
Is the noise very bad?




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Jun 28, 2013 07:30 |  #4

First shot is nice.
#2 is technically okay, but a lot of people behind other people.
#3: Nice moment, but blown out arm (and not well lit). Also cut off fingertips and blocked foot.
#4: Overexposed.

Looks like lighting was difficult.

#3 is the only one where I see a bit of noise.


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Jun 28, 2013 07:37 |  #5

The noise isn't too bad ... about par for the course, performing arts are generally under low and/or difficult lighting conditions so noise goes with the territory ... I use the ISO I need to use, and the noise that comes with it.

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#1 is nicely captured for your main subject, but the rest of the dancers look a little disorganised and in general it doesn't have the sense of a dramatic moment but a slightly disorganised one. That's not a technical fault with your photograph, but the moment is very important with dance photography.

In #2 you've managed to include everyone from the band but the image lacks a point of real interest, a moment or someone doing something to make the image more interesting ... it's a well exposed stage shot, but they're not really doing anything, unfortunately. Unsure of focussing on someone in specific more close-up would help if they're not that active (which may have been the show), I'm sure there are are better concert shooters here to help with what to do when you don't have a particularly dramatic set.

#3 unfortunately the foot is behind the monitor, which is a unfortunate - and fingers cropped very slightly as well which is unlucky as your framing would be nice otherwise - captured the moment well, unlucky with the monitor. Colour balance is quite magenta but I understand that a lot of the time people like to flood the stage with magenta.

#4 is kind of the opposite to #2 in that it's such a close-up we can't see what the character is, what he's doing or in what context. Not easy, but I try to get my theatre or dance photos to convey something of the narrative (if there is one) or feel (if there's not a narrative) of the piece ... easier said than done a lot of times, especially whilst shooting, trying to comprehend the piece and represent it.


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Jun 28, 2013 14:32 |  #6

Thanx for your comments.

Owain Shaw wrote in post #16072335 (external link)
The noise isn't too bad ... about par for the course, performing arts are generally under low and/or difficult lighting conditions so noise goes with the territory ... I use the ISO I need to use, and the noise that comes with it.

You are right, I just find it very hard not to get blown-out highlights in theatre and when upping the ISO things get worse.

Owain Shaw wrote in post #16072335 (external link)
Some CC, I hope you don't mind my saying but I'm not a fan of the coloured borders - I'd go with either black, white or grey if you want a border but the colours don't work for me.

Just used the default auto-color of bordermaker, what you say makes sence.

Owain Shaw wrote in post #16072335 (external link)
#1 is nicely captured for your main subject, but the rest of the dancers look a little disorganised and in general it doesn't have the sense of a dramatic moment but a slightly disorganised one. That's not a technical fault with your photograph, but the moment is very important with dance photography.

Got your point. Also a matter of showing the right samples.
The one attached to this post better in your opinion?

Owain Shaw wrote in post #16072335 (external link)
In #2 you've managed to include everyone from the band but the image lacks a point of real interest, a moment or someone doing something to make the image more interesting ... it's a well exposed stage shot, but they're not really doing anything, unfortunately. Unsure of focussing on someone in specific more close-up would help if they're not that active (which may have been the show), I'm sure there are are better concert shooters here to help with what to do when you don't have a particularly dramatic set.

Also has to do with who is performing, for this group being there and playing as song was as good as it would get. Perhaps some good tips about framing or PP? Some of the close-ups were more attractive.

Owain Shaw wrote in post #16072335 (external link)
#3 unfortunately the foot is behind the monitor, which is a unfortunate - and fingers cropped very slightly as well which is unlucky as your framing would be nice otherwise - captured the moment well, unlucky with the monitor. Colour balance is quite magenta but I understand that a lot of the time people like to flood the stage with magenta.

Absolutely right, frame was not cropped but the foot and fingers just would not fit in. The monitor was a PITA, needed for some musicians. I (and the person on it) despite like the picture as it captured the moment.

Owain Shaw wrote in post #16072335 (external link)
#4 is kind of the opposite to #2 in that it's such a close-up we can't see what the character is, what he's doing or in what context. Not easy, but I try to get my theatre or dance photos to convey something of the narrative (if there is one) or feel (if there's not a narrative) of the piece ... easier said than done a lot of times, especially whilst shooting, trying to comprehend the piece and represent it.

This picture was from a series of 200, picked this one to show the helmet, another showing you more:

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Jul 02, 2013 04:39 |  #7

Sorry, slow reply as I went to a friend's wedding in Portugal, not been online since Friday apart from 10 minutes of stolen WiFi in a bus station.

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You are right, I just find it very hard not to get blown-out highlights in theatre and when upping the ISO things get worse.

It is difficult. I usually find myself "under" exposing according to the camera meter to keep the highlights. The shadows are usually less important, what you want is the performer, usually the highlights. Even under-exposing a stop or two doesn't always keep all the highlights, but it keeps them recoverable. Also keeps the ISO down.

Got your point. Also a matter of showing the right samples.
The one attached to this post better in your opinion?

It definitely shows more of what's happening. Having them both is good, you get a close-up on the character as well as an overall look at the piece. In a varied set for the whole medley of performances, showing two isn't easy but yes, what you choose to show people can make a big difference to how they perceive it - right through the photographic process this is true, the way we compose a photograph can tell a totally different story to the one which happened, simply by the process of inclusion and omission. (Sorry, that's an aside, it's more to do with documentary photography, but I find photography interesting to talk about!)

Also has to do with who is performing, for this group being there and playing as song was as good as it would get. Perhaps some good tips about framing or PP? Some of the close-ups were more attractive.

Definitely. I think we've all shot things where you just have to do your best. I'm not a big concert shooter, so some of the guys here can help you more with what to do with music groups that aren't being too helpful on the spectacle front.

I guess you can try singling out one or two performers and try to pick out moments of interaction between them. Not easy if they're not interacting but sometimes just having two of them focussed on their music tells a story. Using the lighting creatively can also help.

Absolutely right, frame was not cropped but the foot and fingers just would not fit in. The monitor was a PITA, needed for some musicians. I (and the person on it) despite like the picture as it captured the moment.

Tight framing of dancers is always tricky. I have an endless number of photos just missing a fragment of hand or foot. It's still a good capture and you have 95% of the hand so it's not a major thing, I'd still use something like that, when it's chopped at the wrist I curse myself a bit but fingers and toes I allow if the shot is otherwise good.

Stuff getting in the way is another PITA that comes with Performing Arts shooting.

The other dance photo you've posted is really good, nice moment well captured.


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Jul 02, 2013 10:29 |  #8

Thnx Owain.
Your comments and samples on your website (a very nice one indeed) are very helpfull.




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Jul 03, 2013 09:40 |  #9

Glad to hear it, always nice to be helpful ...


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Dec 06, 2017 20:59 |  #10

Looks like dead links. Any chance of a re-up?


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Dec 07, 2017 01:46 as a reply to BJWOK's post |  #11

I will look into it.
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