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Canon flash 580EX, 580..ii, 600EX RT, 600..ii

 
chuckmiller
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Dec 08, 2017 09:13 |  #1

Other than the radio trigger function are there any appreciable differences good or bad as they progress from the original 580 to the latest 600?




  
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Dec 08, 2017 09:42 |  #2

I currently use 3 550EX units and 2 580EXII units. All of my multi-unit flash work is indoors, so the Canon visible light triggering system works just fine for me. I tried YN-622 flash controllers and found them wanting wrt proper exposure in A:B, C setups, especially when mixing EX and EX II units. In the end, I don't need radio control. If I did, I believe I'd go to a set of Canon 430-RTs. Expensive, but I will assume rock-solid reliable.


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Dec 08, 2017 09:44 |  #3

Bassat wrote in post #18513362 (external link)
I currently use 3 550EX units and 2 580EXII units. All of my multi-unit flash work is indoors, so the Canon visible light triggering system works just fine for me. I tried YN-622 flash controllers and found them wanting wrt proper exposure in A:B, C setups, especially when mixing EX and EX II units. In the end, I don't need radio control. If I did, I believe I'd go to a set of Canon 430-RTs. Expensive, but I will assume rock-solid reliable.

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Ah, I forgot the main differences between EX and EX II. You can access the flash functions on-camera with the EX II units. The EX units are easier to set on-flash than the IIs.


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Dec 08, 2017 09:53 |  #4

Good info. THX.

Bassat wrote in post #18513367 (external link)
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Ah, I forgot the main differences between EX and EX II. You can access the flash functions on-camera with the EX II units. The EX units are easier to set on-flash than the IIs.




  
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Dec 08, 2017 10:07 |  #5

If you are considering a purchase, don't forget that Speedlights are also available as refurbished units. I have purchased two refurb units from Canon and like my two cameras (also refurbs) I could not tell them from new units. See https://shop.usa.canon​.com …rbished-speedlite-flashes (external link) for what is available.




  
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Dec 08, 2017 10:12 |  #6

Good point. I've saved a ton of money buying Canon refurbs. One drawback: it is mostly current gear. To get older stuff, you have to go to E-Bay, Craigslist, POTN sale pages, and the like. I just picked up my 3 550EX units on E-bay for about $50 each. Good, inexpensive, reliable lighting.


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Dec 08, 2017 10:45 |  #7

430EX < 430EXII, 580EX < 580EXII
no protection against overheat (due to excessive use) < self protection against overheat

430 < 580 = 600
less power < more power = same power (at 105mm) but with longer max FL zoom

EX < RT
optical IR TTL flash control < optical /radio TTL flash control


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Dec 08, 2017 13:46 |  #8

For the moment while Canon has the $100 off offer, a new 600EX II-RT is only $13 more than a refurb unit. It's a good deal for anyone wanting a new unit.

John from PA wrote in post #18513382 (external link)
If you are considering a purchase, don't forget that Speedlights are also available as refurbished units. I have purchased two refurb units from Canon and like my two cameras (also refurbs) I could not tell them from new units. See https://shop.usa.canon​.com …rbished-speedlite-flashes (external link) for what is available.




  
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Mar 12, 2018 10:50 |  #9

Sometimes I become weak and decide to get the latest and greatest for no solid reason. I decided to get the 600RT EX ii for the longer reach even though I probably don't need it. I wasn't expecting the added size and weight of this flash unit.

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Mar 12, 2018 11:27 |  #10

Radio trigger IS the reason I have 5 600 EX-RT's and 2 ST-E3 RT transmitters.
Before 2012, I had to connect Pocket Wizards to fire a single 580 EXII and a single 430 EX. Manual power only. Walk back and forth to each flash to adjust power. And no E-TTL. Extra physical connection cords and a back up just in case. And in some instance humidity levels would create havoc in communication
With the introduction of the Canon 600 EX-RT system and in need of another Speedlite, I bought the 600 and ST-E3 RT Transmitter. After about a week's use of diving in deep into the new RT, I tried everything to see if my older 430 580 had any value to me working with the new RT system. The only value they had was trade in value towards......... a second 600 EX-RT.
Have now been using this system for almost six years now, seamlessly.
Weddings, Portraits, event work, head shots, this system has certainly delivered for me.
And more 600's in the future as well.........


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