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You've got no gear at all - Would you get a 5DMKIV or D850

 
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Nov 06, 2017 18:06 |  #196
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Nov 21, 2017 10:37 |  #197

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I just sold all of my Canon gear, from my 1DxII to my L glass and flashes.

Why? First allow me to state the obvious. It’s not the gun, it’s the trigger puller.

There, now that I got that out of the way, I still like nice gear. And after lugging the above gear out west in August, up and down Zion, around Arches, in and out of Bryce, Moab and all manner of parks and trails in Boulder, the weight just got to me.

So I say, why narrow your choice to Canon and Nikon, both of which systems I’ve owned and really like?

I am seriously considering the Sony A9 or the soon to be out A7R3. Neither cheap, but Sony is just killing them all.


Actually, Sony is just CATCHING IT"S BREATH ... lol

After overheating batteries, dead video, cannibalizing other brands lenses ... Sony has just recently got it's equilibrium. Sony has some very nice stuff. But what you said is an exaggeration commonly propagated, especially in light of customer service and the entire package of what's available.

I'd gladly own a Sony, but have no need to change to a brand that just got on it's feet.

For what you shared about weight, I feel the same way. Recently removed my battery grips and am looking at lighter lenses. I recently bought a wonderful Canon M5 too.

Honestly, I think the M5 is good enough for an extra body for wedding stuff, but still rely on full frame.

RE the OP's question, if I had not used Canon, I would flip a coin. Having used Canon, I understand what I used. But from scratch, I would feel comfortable with either one.


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Nov 22, 2017 19:19 |  #198

The a7rIII is definitely worth throwing into the mix now that's been announced. It operationally can go toe-to-toe with both the 5D and D850, the sensor is great, and there are notable upsides (i.e. eye AF, no microfocus issues, IBIS etc.). Plus their Pro Services is proving to be top notch too.

One upside to the a7 bodies is that there isn't a need to have a secondary compact system for casual use.....mount a large lens to an a7 body and its still a big camera, but mount a smaller prime onto the body and you have a nice compact set-up too.


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Nov 26, 2017 13:34 |  #199

The a7riii and a9 give photographers far less reasons to consider Sony. Perhaps maximum durability and maximum write speeds are the only Achilles heel left to nit pick over in terms of what the bodies offer.

For those who want CP's-level service, that is coming.

The ability to get top-notch AF from A, EF, FL and FE glass is a pretty underrated plus for the A9 and a7riii. Feel like packing a bag with both an 85 1.2L and a 105 f1. 4, but only want to pack one body? You can do it, and do it stabilized!


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Nov 26, 2017 17:57 |  #200

I think you mean "far more reason"


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Dec 03, 2017 19:01 |  #201

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I think you mean "far more reason"

Although I'm hearing about more photographers ditching Sony and returning to Canon or Nikon, the "far more reason" you suggested seems more like what I'd expect to hear.

I can't think of far less reason to consider Sony.

The only thing that comes to mind, would be the most recent models not overcoming a few hurdles a few consumers were hopeful for.


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Dec 22, 2017 10:02 |  #202

D850 all the way. Silent shutter option and can handle high ISO.

The 5Dmk4 has no silent shutter option and isn't that good at high ISO -- 3200+

I have the 5DMK4 and it can be a struggle for wildlife that's not lit up with the sun !, Its good for cropping in which is a bonus :-)


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Dec 22, 2017 14:11 |  #203

Canon-Chas wrote in post #18523985 (external link)
D850 all the way. Silent shutter option.

The 5Dmk4 has no silent shutter option . . .
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A completely silent shutter option would be most valuable for some of my wildlife photography attempts.

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D850 all the way . . . can handle high ISO.

The 5Dmk4 isn't that good at high ISO -- 3200+

I have the 5DMK4 and it can be a struggle for wildlife that's not lit up with the sun !
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I limit my photography to 1600 ISO, and have no trouble properly capturing wildlife in overcast conditions. . In fact, I would guesstimate that over 50 of all my wildlife photography takes place when there is no direct sunlight - either early in the morning before the sun comes up, late in the evening after sunset, or on completely overcast days. . I can't understand why someone thinks they need ISO 3200 and above for such photography. . It would help at certain times, but much of the time, there is no need to "struggle" at less than 3200 ISO.

I currently use a Canon 1D Mark 4, and I think that the 5D4 would be a huge improvement, but many times the 1D4 and 1600 ISO is just fine, even in cloudy conditions. . If you are struggling to capture quality wildlife photos with your 5D4, perhaps you need to re-evaluate the type of shooting you are attempting to do, and what your exposure triangle priorities are.


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Dec 22, 2017 16:51 |  #204

Canon-Chas wrote in post #18523985 (external link)
D850 all the way. Silent shutter option and can handle high ISO.

The 5Dmk4 has no silent shutter option and isn't that good at high ISO -- 3200+

I have the 5DMK4 and it can be a struggle for wildlife that's not lit up with the sun !, Its good for cropping in which is a bonus :-)

I used to think no shutter noise wouldn't be at the top of my list of "accessories". That has changed since this summer. I was covering a PGA event in Ohio this summer & started talking to a shooter for USA Today. He was using a mirror less, I think it was Olympus?? First of all, 18 fps!!!!!! At what point are you just shooting video?? :-) But his ability to photograph the golfers in their backswing is what really got my attention.




  
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Dec 22, 2017 17:50 |  #205

Came across this 5D4 v D850 v others comparison tonight. The high ISO tests may be of interest.
Subject is girl in a bathrobe, completely covered. May not be SFW.

http://www.streetsilho​uettes.com …r-comparison-of-5-cameras (external link)

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Dec 23, 2017 09:31 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #206

I tend to photograph difficult subjects Tom, my latest project was Goshawk in west of Scotland. This is a rare and extremely cautious woodland bird which is very difficult to get close to, even with a hide. My 1DX is too noisy for this bird at 15 metres in a woodland hide unless there is a strong wind to mask the "silent" single shot shutter. I got the 5D MK4 as it has silent continuous shutter option and the files are 50% bigger (30 MP) which means I can crop more and still have an A3 size image. Shutter speeds when the Goshawk is feeding needs at least 1/250 using my 300 f2.8 mk2 + 1.4 TC ...420mm , so even at 1/200 f4, ISO 2000+ is needed to expose correctly. I shoot in Manual with ISO set to auto and try to avoid >2500 iso, but with no sunlight except for a rare shaft of light breaking through things are difficult to say the least once the Goshawk starts moving . Other than that most of my wildlife pics are in good light .
What I really need is a Canon Silent shutter full frame Camera , hopefully Canon will catch up with the competition ! My 1DX could easily handle iso 6400 , but it's a trade off with larger 5d mk4 files. I have a friend in Wales who has photographed Goshawk and he has had to go as low as 1/8 shutter speed ! The lowest I have managed is 1/40 when the Goshawk froze for 10 seconds as he watched his larger mate in the tree above :-)

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Dec 23, 2017 21:00 |  #207

I went the Nikon route and am really enjoying the D850 and new Nikon glass.

Still find it weird not owning a Canon body nor any Canon glass.


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Dec 23, 2017 21:50 |  #208

fotoworx wrote in post #18525086 (external link)
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I went the Nikon route and am really enjoying the D850 and new Nikon glass.

Still find it weird not owning a Canon body nor any Canon glass.
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Does high ISO noise performance and dynamic range matter to you, or was it something else that caused you to switch over to Nikon?

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Dec 23, 2017 22:20 |  #209

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18525132 (external link)
Does high ISO noise performance and dynamic range matter to you, or was it something else that caused you to switch over to Nikon?

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If I was in his position there would be little to zero reason to go with canon over the D850. Canon has nothing that even competes with it.




  
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Dec 23, 2017 23:51 |  #210

Canon-Chas wrote in post #18523985 (external link)
isn't that good at high ISO -- 3200+

I find this comment odd.

you're definition of good must be much different to mine.




  
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