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Does my bride look 70? advice needed.

 
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Dec 22, 2017 12:27 |  #61

David, I agree completely with you. Modern DSLR's are too good. Too much detail, and if the 4K+ resultion of many FF sensors are putting out will make it even worse for some older brides. RDK, I agree with you, but add that the quality of the film back in the 70's played a big part.


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Dec 29, 2017 05:23 |  #62

Those look like good captures.

Unfortunately some people care more about their appearance in photos than the moment captured.


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Dec 29, 2017 08:03 |  #63

Jotto123 wrote in post #18528537 (external link)
Those look like good captures.

Unfortunately some people care more about their appearance in photos than the moment captured.

Nothing "unfortunate" about that. People pay for their images for their own reasons. There is nothing "unfortunate" about what those reasons may be.

That's particularly true when the image has been "enhanced" in the wrong way by the photographer applying a trendy effect. Why, for instance, should a person suffering from serious acne be happy with an image when a photographer has applied an effect that emphasizes the acne?




  
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Dec 29, 2017 11:00 |  #64

Jotto123 wrote in post #18528537 (external link)
Unfortunately some people care more about their appearance in photos than the moment captured.

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Nothing "unfortunate" about that. People pay for their images for their own reasons. There is nothing "unfortunate" about what those reasons may be.

I think 'capturing the moment' can require more than a realistic image. It can also involve trying to catch the feeling in the moment as well. In the case of the bride, her mood and the way she felt at the time are probably not well represented in a precisely detailed hard-lit rendition of wrinkled skin. Good portrait and event photographers have long used various tricks at the point of capture or 'in the darkroom' to deliver images that please their subjects ... and that reflect more of the inner self and less of the outer reality. In the digital age, they just have more options available.

Most people appreciate this and it is one of the reasons why they are willing to pay for a professional photographer rather than rely on snap-happy Uncle Bobs with expensive kit they don't properly know how to use.


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Jan 02, 2018 06:54 |  #65

DaviSto wrote in post #18528698 (external link)
I think 'capturing the moment' can require more than a realistic image. It can also involve trying to catch the feeling in the moment as well. In the case of the bride, her mood and the way she felt at the time are probably not well represented in a precisely detailed hard-lit rendition of wrinkled skin. Good portrait and event photographers have long used various tricks at the point of capture or 'in the darkroom' to deliver images that please their subjects ... and that reflect more of the inner self and less of the outer reality. In the digital age, they just have more options available.

Most people appreciate this and it is one of the reasons why they are willing to pay for a professional photographer rather than rely on snap-happy Uncle Bobs with expensive kit they don't properly know how to use.

I'm totally in agreement. Folk don't realize this. Phones don't capture the details a Dslr does.


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Jan 02, 2018 07:18 |  #66

We do a free 2 week family portraiture session each year for our church and anybody that wants to come in that time. I have grown accustomed to running the photos through a series of NIK filters (glamour, skin softener, etc), and they all appreciate how the images come out. They look a bit younger and fresher, and love the photos. This is something I typically do (in varying degrees) on ALL professional portraiture I shoot, whether seniors, families, individual portraits, etc.

For those not comfortable using filters, etc. there is a very easy technique using an extra layer that is gaussian'd blurred, then setting setting the history flag on that step, and back up one in your history. You then use the history brush to "airbrush" problematic areas quickly.


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Jan 02, 2018 11:34 |  #67

Didn't know there was a glamour and skin softner preset in Nik. Is that what they're called? And what tweaks would you advise? The way I was taught AFTER this incident was set clarity under 10, Sharpening to 80 (Yes! 80) and add NR to soften the skin. You can add skin softening adjustment brush if you need more work on the wrinkles, see my last images for examples.


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Jan 02, 2018 11:43 |  #68

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Didn't know there was a glamour and skin softner preset in Nik. Is that what they're called? And what tweaks would you advise? The way I was taught AFTER this incident was set clarity under 10, Sharpening to 80 (Yes! 80) and add NR to soften the skin. You can add skin softening adjustment brush if you need more work on the wrinkles, see my last images for examples.

Nik has lots of options (in this case, in the Color Effex Pro 4 module of the suite). It doesn't do anything you can't achieve using other post-processing tools ... but it is very quick and straightforward to use once you have got the hang of it. I imagine that's a big plus-point for TeamSpeed offering his time and skills without charge to take portraits of church members. And you can get really good results.

I don't think there is any one-size-fits-all answer on what pre-set to use. It depends on the image you start with and what you are trying to achieve. I'd be inclined to experiment with it a bit to find out what suits your own style. There's lots of advice available on Youtube. I like Anthony Morganti's videos, in particular. Informative, clear, short.


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Jan 02, 2018 13:56 as a reply to  @ Colin Glover's post |  #69

I found this help topic on that skin softener filter. Hope it helps.
https://support.google​.com …tion/answer/329​8010?hl=en (external link)

For tough subjects, I will also employ the history/blur brush method as well. As I researched links to provide help here, it makes sense to use surface blur instead of gaussian, but I haven't tried that yet.


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Jan 03, 2018 04:15 |  #70

I have lots of experience photographing and post processing although mostly other than people.
So when I was asked for some tips for someone relatively new to photography who was taking photos for a 21st Birthday, I explained that and gave only 1 piece of advice. Be very careful with sharpening photos of any woman who is not young and also young women with any skin blemishes.

Sharp seems to be the first thing people new to photography strive for, I think it was for me, but it does not mean it's the best for every situation.


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