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Long time Canon user....but this A7R iii looks too good!

 
mystik610
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Jan 13, 2018 18:22 |  #31

JeffreyG wrote in post #18540129 (external link)
That seems like an agreement that keeping the 5D3 and using that for my sports and other telephoto needs is a good plan.

Yeah it's probably worth holding onto unless you decide to pick up some native glass to cover those ranges. I actually did that for a while before the a7rII was released and AF with adapted lenses was terrible and I needed my 5DIII for wedding and event work with f2.8 zooms that did no exist with Sony back then. The transition to Sony took a 2+ years for me.

JeffreyG wrote in post #18540129 (external link)
I have a 50L. I was thinking of selling that and trying the 55/1.8 as a first foray into Sony native lenses. Would you expect the 55/1.8 to perform noticeable better on the A7rIII than the 50L with metabones?

In the short term I'd see myself running two bodies most the the time, with <85mm lenses mounted to the Sony and my long lenses on the 5D3.

The downside of my plan is that I spend some $3500 on another body, and still use the 5D3 for most of my most demanding poor light shooting (sports).

So the FE 55 is smaller and sharper than the 50L, but I've always been a sucker for the rendering of the 50L and since shooting on the a7 bodies correct all of the focusing issues, it breathes new life into that lens. The look of that lens when its actually critically in focus is money

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Jan 13, 2018 18:36 |  #32

i just got the a7r3..

and i know they said eye AF was capable now with adapted EF lenses..

but i figured i'd need to sell my 35 1.4 mkii.. (which i felt down about )

but so far it seems as though I wont really have to , as eye AF works very well for my typical use..

even the 85 1.8 works well enough ..
that i don't feel pressured to need to run out and get sony lenses right away to be able to enjoy Eye AF.


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Jan 13, 2018 19:20 |  #33

mystik610 wrote in post #18540325 (external link)
So the FE 55 is smaller and sharper than the 50L, but I've always been a sucker for the rendering of the 50L and since shooting on the a7 bodies correct all of the focusing issues, it breathes new life into that lens. The look of that lens when its actually critically in focus is money

Hmmm, you are really selling me on starting off by just adding an A7rIII and using mostly my EOS lenses. Maybe that is smart. If I really like it, I might eventually migrate to some more Sony glass.

I'm with you on what I want from my very fast lenses. I like the way images look from the Canon 24L II, 50L, and 85L II. I know these lenses have some flaws, but they make some really pretty images too. If they work on the Sony, I'm not sure I want something that is more clinically 'better'.

But I am intrigued with the way the Sony A7 works. I'm definitely feeling that I want to give it a shot. One funny thought - The one lens the Sony would actually make obsolete in my kit is my 10 year old 24-105L that I got with my 5D classic (kit). I keep it because it's a handy travel lens and has IS. But if I mount my 24-70L II on the Sony, with IS and 42 MP (for extra reach through cropping) then the old 24-105L has no further purpose for me. Too bad it is worth so little on the used market.

Oh - is there any 'best time' to buy a new Sony? Canon has their rebate seasons that most of us have learned. Anything like that with Sony?


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Jan 13, 2018 20:16 |  #34

JeffreyG wrote in post #18540347 (external link)
Hmmm, you are really selling me on starting off by just adding an A7rIII and using mostly my EOS lenses. Maybe that is smart. If I really like it, I might eventually migrate to some more Sony glass.

I'm with you on what I want from my very fast lenses. I like the way images look from the Canon 24L II, 50L, and 85L II. I know these lenses have some flaws, but they make some really pretty images too. If they work on the Sony, I'm not sure I want something that is more clinically 'better'.

But I am intrigued with the way the Sony A7 works. I'm definitely feeling that I want to give it a shot. One funny thought - The one lens the Sony would actually make obsolete in my kit is my 10 year old 24-105L that I got with my 5D classic (kit). I keep it because it's a handy travel lens and has IS. But if I mount my 24-70L II on the Sony, with IS and 42 MP (for extra reach through cropping) then the old 24-105L has no further purpose for me. Too bad it is worth so little on the used market.

Oh - is there any 'best time' to buy a new Sony? Canon has their rebate seasons that most of us have learned. Anything like that with Sony?

Yeah given how well adapted glass tends to play with the a7rIII, there's less motivation to pick up native glass as there was when I switched. I'd probably own a lot more Canon glass right now if the a7rIII had existed a couple years back.

Best time to buy a Sony body? When the next body is introduced. Sony releases bodies at a fairly rapid rate, and when something new is announced, older stuff tends to get discounted. If you're cool buying used, Sony tends to appeal to people with GAS, and whenever a new model is announced, the used market tends to flood with 'not so old' models. a9 can be had for slightly more than the a7rIII these days.


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Jan 13, 2018 20:22 |  #35

rantercsr wrote in post #18540332 (external link)
i just got the a7r3..

and i know they said eye AF was capable now with adapted EF lenses..

but i figured i'd need to sell my 35 1.4 mkii.. (which i felt down about )

but so far it seems as though I wont really have to , as eye AF works very well for my typical use..

even the 85 1.8 works well enough ..
that i don't feel pressured to need to run out and get sony lenses right away to be able to enjoy Eye AF.

just be aware that eye AF only works with continuous low (3fps). at anything faster, only the first frame will focus, subsequent frames dont lock. That should satisfy many scenarios, but something like the FE 85 + eye AF + high speed.... pretty amazing.


Sony A7rii/A7riii - FE 12-24/4 - FE 24-240 - FE 28/2 - FE 35/2.8 - CV 35/1.7 - FE 50/1.8 - FE 85/1.8 - EF 135/1.8 Art - F 600/5.6 - CZ 35-70, 100-300 - Astro Rok 14/2.8, 24/1.4 - Tamron 28-75 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8 VC

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Jan 14, 2018 04:50 |  #36

I had a fair amount of fast glass with Canon but for me, one appeal of the E mount system was the ABILITY to choose smaller, but not markedly inferior lenses. Using Canon glass and the adapter will usually mean a larger, longer, heavier combination than what's available with Sony.

Lenses that I had vs lenses I now have...
EF 16-35 f/4L IS --> FE 16-35 f/4 - Sony is 100g lighter, but .4" longer, but then you add the adapter and it's significantly lighter and shorter
EF 35mm f/1.4L II --> FE 35mm f/1.4 - Sony is 130g lighter, but about .25" longer, but then you add the adapter and it, too, is significantly lighter and shorter. This is the ONLY lens switch I struggled with making. The 35L II is SO INSANELY SHARP that even a perfect copy of the Sony can't keep up. However, the Sony does render backgrounds smoother and in a more pleasant fashion. Here, I made my logical mind overrule my emotional mind and sell the Canon in favor of the lens which was native, smaller, and lighter. I still question whether I made the right decision VERY frequently. The Sony 35/1.4 is FANTASTIC, but the Canon... the sharpness... WOW!
Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art --> FE 55mm f/1.8 - Sony is 430 grams lighter, 3/4" smaller in diameter, and over 1" shorter than the Sigma, but then you add the adapter and the difference swells even more. The difference in size and weight is ridiculous and adding the adapter makes it downright absurd. The 55mm f/1.8 is easily just as sharp as the Sigma 50mm Art (which is known for being razor sharp). Obviously the aperture difference makes this not a fair comparison, but again, one of my goals was to decrease size and weight without sacrificing image quality, even at the expense of aperture speed and this trade achieves that for me in spades!
EF 85mm f/1.2L II --> Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8 - Zeiss is almost 600g lighter, and nominally longer, but once again, if you add the adapter to the Canon, the lens length difference is in favor of the Zeiss and the weight difference increases substantially. This is another situation where the apertures are not the same, but I sacrificed lens speed in favor of size, length, and weight.
EF 135mm f/2L II --> Zeiss Batis 135mm f/2.8 - Zeiss is 136g lighter, and nominally longer, but just as above, if you add the adapter to the Canon lens, the picture changes dramatically. Same situation as above with regards to smaller aperture but the difference in size, length, and weight make it worthwhile.

I use my equipment quite a bit for family outings and I don't mind lens swapping. So, for trips to places like Disney, Busch Gardens, the beach, etc., I'll bring a camera and 2-3 lenses. On the very first trip we went on with my Sony gear, my wife picked up my camera bag to hang it on the stroller, like we always do, and her eyes got BIG and she turned to me and said "this is a LOT lighter". Then she inspected the bag from the outside and said "it looks smaller too" (referencing the depth of the bag - which is an across-body bag). And she's right, it's QUITE noticeable.

Again, I realize I've sacrificed some speed in terms of aperture, but I'm okay with that as I haven't sacrificed image quality (the 35mm trade off favors smoother backgrounds so I tell myself that one is worth it... lol).

Here's an image from yesterday where I was testing the ability of the A9 to track the eyeball of a running toddler using the Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8 at f/2. Of 7 images, the first of him standing still and the next 6 of him running, all were perfectly focused on his eye except this one (the last one) which was only off by a minuscule fraction of an inch and appears tack sharp unless you view at 100% or greater.

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This is something that the 85L II could NEVER accomplish thanks to it's slower-than-everything-else-on-the-market AF speed.

Just something to think about (the size/weight/bulk thing)...



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Jan 14, 2018 09:14 |  #37

Personally both size, weight difference are tiny IMHO comparing Sony and Canon as both are FF. Camera size, weight difference yes but not much either again if you compare say with 6d. Sensor performance and eye AF, I agree. Personally I went Fuji route as I didn't like A7RII when I tried it. Mostly due to Sony interface, cameras are more computer than a camera. Fuji on other hand was pure joy to use. As I don't shoot crazy high ISOs, for me 16MP XT1 with 56mm f1.2 was just as good as my 5dmk3/85L. I did side by side with A7RII and Batis 85mm f1.8 and decided to stick with Fuji. Again at the time I didn't needed 40+MP or the ISO6400.

Since FF is revered so much in the forums, when I got the chance to upgrade to higher MP body, instead of going with A7RIII, I took the plunge and got another crop camera but this time bigger than FF, the Fuji GFX. The Fuji 110mm f2 is really really good. AF is little slower as only contrast based but man, the files from this MF camera are so much better and this Sony sensor is a 3 yrs old technology. Canon has lot of catching up to do.


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Jan 14, 2018 18:20 |  #38

mystik610 wrote in post #18540364 (external link)
Yeah given how well adapted glass tends to play with the a7rIII, there's less motivation to pick up native glass as there was when I switched. I'd probably own a lot more Canon glass right now if the a7rIII had existed a couple years back.

Best time to buy a Sony body? When the next body is introduced. Sony releases bodies at a fairly rapid rate, and when something new is announced, older stuff tends to get discounted. If you're cool buying used, Sony tends to appeal to people with GAS, and whenever a new model is announced, the used market tends to flood with 'not so old' models. a9 can be had for slightly more than the a7rIII these days.

I've seen that A7R iii has greatly improved AF with adapted Canon lenses. Is this true only with metabones or also with the sigma mc-11?


Canon 5Ds R | 16-35 4L IS | 24-105 4L IS | 70-200 4L IS | 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS ii | 14 2.8 Samy | 35 1.4 Art | 85 1.8 | 135 2L | EXT 1.4X II | AD200 | V860ii-C | 2x TT600

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Jan 14, 2018 18:33 |  #39

fplstudio wrote in post #18540931 (external link)
I've seen that A7R iii has greatly improved AF with adapted Canon lenses. Is this true only with metabones or also with the sigma mc-11?

It's a constantly moving target with the development that both metabones and Sigma do with their adapters, and what Sony does with their bodies.

At this point, metabones iis the best to use.


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