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Jan 17, 2018 15:24 |  #2356

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Look David, I've been doing this 40 years. I'm not going to argue with you. Foremost, it's trespassing on private property. Just hope that I'm not the one to see you stepping across our tracks.

Have you ever had to walk to a door in the middle of a dark night and tell a wife that her husband is now deceased while their 6 year old daughter is asleep in the other room? I have. It's a horrible situation that could have easily been avoided. And for what, for a photograph?

Point is, why risk it?

Deaths from walking on railroad tracks are up nearly 10 percent, with 483 last year alone, according to the Federal Railroad Administration, with many people pausing to take selfies on the tracks or pose for traditional camera shots.

Just. Not. Worth. It.

My criticism with your post isn’t with the subject of track safety, nor of your 40 years of working on the railroad, it is only regarding false statements. Your first post claimed that a railroad track is equally dangerous to a multilane interstate highway (it’s obviously not), and now you’re claiming that your message was “foremost” an anti trespassing one (it obviously wasn’t). You have an important safety message from experience to share and it is diminished by the unfortunate false statements. :)

I’m all in with you on obeying the law and condemning portraits photoshoots near railroads (selfies are portrait photoshoots).

BTW, regarding trespassing, how is it that in my entire life (53) I have crossed the railroad tracks (lately it’s literally an everyday event) by car, bike, or foot - often in full view of patroling police - and have never once been arrested for trespassing? Looking forward to following up with you on this point.


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Jan 17, 2018 15:51 as a reply to  @ David Arbogast's post |  #2357

I'll stand by my previous statements.

Obviously, crossing a set of railroad tracks at a grade crossing is not trespassing. Either by foot, by bicycle or by car. However, if one elects to take a path other than a public right of way then it becomes a problem. A tunnel, a bridge, a industrial switch lead, a rail yard for nothing more that their own simple amusement then we have issues. Our company Police department on a daily basis will escort 10 to 20 people a week off of our property with a warning. Just one. The second time the local authorities are called. Even at that not everyone is caught every time. And this is only in the Kansas City region and only the Union Pacific railroad. If you were to ask the BNSF Special Agents I have no doubt their numbers would be similar.

One would think that someone your age might have a little more common sense than to want to question authority. I'm simply stating facts. You can choose to do anything you want, you are after all a grown adult. I'm simply stating it's not the wise thing to do. And I'll also stand by my statement that I hope I'm not around when you do choose the wrong path. Not for my benefit but for your safety.


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Jan 17, 2018 16:12 |  #2358

I completely agree about the danger. This doesn't make it any better but I was crossing the tracks in a car and stopped for a moment to capture the moment. I realize its equally as dangerous and I shouldn't do it but the lesser of me stopped to get the shot. It was right in the middle of where the Railroad crossing bars/signs would drop and warn of on-coming danger so I felt somewhat safe stopping for the few seconds. Thank you for the heads up though Darrell. The section I shot from was just up the street from the Aisle of Capri gaming boat.


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Jan 17, 2018 16:13 |  #2359

dhornick wrote in post #18543298 (external link)
I'll stand by my previous statements.

Obviously, crossing a set of railroad tracks at a grade crossing is not trespassing. Either by foot, by bicycle or by car. However, if one elects to take a path other than a public right of way then it becomes a problem. A tunnel, a bridge, a industrial switch lead, a rail yard for nothing more that their own simple amusement then we have issues. Our company Police department on a daily basis will escort 10 to 20 people a week off of our property with a warning. Just one. The second time the local authorities are called. Even at that not everyone is caught every time. And this is only in the Kansas City region and only the Union Pacific railroad. If you were to ask the BNSF Special Agents I have no doubt their numbers would be similar.

One would think that someone your age might have a little more common sense than to want to question authority. I'm simply stating facts. You can choose to do anything you want, you are after all a grown adult. I'm simply stating it's not the wise thing to do. And I'll also stand by my statement that I hope I'm not around when you do choose the wrong path. Not for my benefit but for your safety.

You claimed I was trespassing and threatened to have me arrested, but now you admit it’s not trespassing. That is now three obvious false claims.*

*False Claim #1: a railroad track is equally dangerous to a multiane interstate highway.
*False Claim #2: your original post on this subject was foremost about anti-trespassing.
*False Claim #3: stepping across a railroad track is trespassing.

Got any more to add to the running list?

A strong safety message is welcome and warranted, being an authoritarian jerk about it is not.

UPDATE: Now Mike testifies he was in a car at a crossing, so you falsely accused him of trespassing...the list of your false claims just keeps growing.


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Jan 18, 2018 05:34 as a reply to  @ David Arbogast's post |  #2361

Wow! Just wow. What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Read my original post to Mike. Did I not make the exact statement that maybe there was more to the story that meets the eye?

"I wished I could "like" this photo Mike. Did you take this? Maybe there is more to the story of the photo than meets the eye but it looks like you might have been standing between the rails of the tracks and snapped the image?"

Frankly, you're an ass and I will not waste my time or breath with anymore responses. Happy trespassing.


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Jan 18, 2018 07:09 |  #2362

I find it so inspiring that you are out shooting images even in the coldest of weather. You are far more dedicated than I and it shows in your photographs. I'd be called a fair weather shooter I suppose. lol


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Jan 18, 2018 09:18 |  #2363

After reading the posts, I found this very interesting: https://www.today.com …train-coming-911815235593 (external link)


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Jan 18, 2018 10:24 |  #2364

dhornick wrote in post #18543622 (external link)
Wow! Just wow. What we have here is a failure to communicate.

No, what we have here is a failure by you to be accountable to your own words.


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Jan 18, 2018 12:09 |  #2365

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After reading the posts, I found this very interesting: https://www.today.com …train-coming-911815235593 (external link)

This is all I was trying to say. People (and rightfully so) have no idea how quite or deadly a 150ton train can be. Thanks for the post.


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Jan 18, 2018 21:16 |  #2366

Tonight we had a special "after hours" event at the Liberty Memorial Museum.

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Jan 18, 2018 21:19 as a reply to  @ dhornick's post |  #2367

Crazy I suppose. I really just like the feeling of being out living in the moment. There is such a sense of peace when I'm out shooting whether it be in the cold or warm weather. I'm really hoping I can get to Yellowstone N.P. this year. The National Parks are really becoming a love of mine and I want to visit as many as I can while I still have the ability.


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Jan 19, 2018 05:40 |  #2368

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Crazy I suppose. I really just like the feeling of being out living in the moment. There is such a sense of peace when I'm out shooting whether it be in the cold or warm weather. I'm really hoping I can get to Yellowstone N.P. this year. The National Parks are really becoming a love of mine and I want to visit as many as I can while I still have the ability.

To bad Trump doesn't see it that way. I agree with you, other than for fresh Lobster, that's exactly why we're headed to Acadia this fall. If you get to go are you going to try to hit Grand Teton too? It's right there and I think just as beautiful if not more in some cases. Are you guys campers too? Or do you opt for a hotel/motel in town? Personally we like to B&B it if possible. My back cant take the lumpy ground anymore.


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Jan 19, 2018 05:41 |  #2369

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Such a very special place. I'm so glad Kansas City has it to call their own.


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Jan 19, 2018 05:55 |  #2370

dhornick wrote in post #18544300 (external link)
To bad Trump doesn't see it that way. I agree with you, other than for fresh Lobster, that's exactly why we're headed to Acadia this fall. If you get to go are you going to try to hit Grand Teton too? It's right there and I think just as beautiful if not more in some cases. Are you guys campers too? Or do you opt for a hotel/motel in town? Personally we like to B&B it if possible. My back cant take the lumpy ground anymore.

I would love to go to Acadia NP. One thing I miss most about living in KC is being more centrally located to travel to the national parks; especially the parks out west. Our favorite experiences by far have been at Glacier. Now, though, we’re close to the Smoky Mountains and the rest of the NPs are far far away. :cry:

We’re tent campers, but we use a big tent and a queen-size air mattress to keep things comfortable.


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