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How to find models for glamour, boudoir/nude photo shoot ?

 
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Jun 27, 2017 00:29 |  #1

Hi all,
Would you mind share tips how to find models for glamour, boudoir/nude photo shoot?
I live in California, San Francisco Bay Area.
I did go to model mayhem and search for models there, but it didn't work out.
Some never show up, another show up but look like she is "in a hurry", wants the shooting end as fast as possible, get the money and leave !
The professional models look like they don't care of newbie photographers.

How about we create a club (ex: boudoir photography) where members in that area can meet like once a month, hire models (share the cost) or bring friends to the photo shoot and shoot together ?

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Jun 27, 2017 01:33 |  #2

as we started this discussion as a private conversation, gacon1 and me, I'll respond first:

to be totally honest, I thought that it would be easier in California. I work with both payed models as volunteering models (both get digital images in limited resolution). Payed models are mostly taking their jobs very seriously, I only once had a model that was 'in a hurry', not my best cooperation, indeed. On the other hand the payed models are available 'for money', so not too hard to find them. (in Europe we have Facebook groups reuniting models, photographers, make up artists. Young people are getting more and more prude, or prudish, in my opinion, so indeed it is hard to find young women willing to pose nude, and to have their images published on the net. Most volunteering models i work with like my style, and are willing to cooperate because of this. I still have them 'filter' my images after the shoot, although I work with a contract, they still get to see the images before publishing. I also allow them to choose a nickname, and I will never link to their profiles on FB. In this way I try to protect them from improper public/private reactions.


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Jun 27, 2017 17:18 |  #3

Assuming you're new and building your portfolio, then money is the easy answer. You just have to stand your ground and stick to your guns if you're paying. Understand that YOU ARE THE BOSS. If the model shows up and wants to leave early, then let her leave. And then refuse to pay her, or prorate the payment for the time she actually was there. If she (or he) shows up and is lollygagging around and half-assing it, then send them home as soon as it's clear you're wasting your time. For glamour especially, the professional models don't care if you just bought your camera that day. You just have to use your spidey-sense and make judgement calls based on portfolio, word of mouth, and pre-shoot communication as to whether or not the model would be a good fit.

Hiring friends to share the cost is usually pointless IMHO. You'll get half a dozen guys to all shoot one model, they'll all shoot at once, the model won't know where to look, or will be rushed and there'll be no creative collaboration so far as where to pose, how, etc. There's a reason why these types of shoots are usually referred to as "gangbangs". It's generally not pleasant for anyone involved. One complaint I would hear a lot from photographers who did such things was that at the end of the day, everyone got the same shots, that is: model is on a nice chaise lounge, maybe with a decent lighting setup that someone went through the trouble of arranging....and then every photographer there took turns shooting over one anothers shoulders in a frenzy, and now that cool shot you think you got is very similar to 40-50 others that are now being posted online.

My advice is to try facebook groups, then instagram, and then modelmayhem again. Be upfront with what you are expecting in terms of theme/style, limits of nudity, usage of images, expectations for release forms, time/scheduling, etc. The more info you provide, the less surprises there are, and it'll probably weed out all the girls looking for an easy payday from a newbie.




  
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Jun 28, 2017 11:54 |  #4

Your options:
1) Work hard to build your skill set, portfolio, and reputation doing non-boudoir, non-nude shoots. Continue until skilled models are eager to work with you for TFP shoots. I'm getting there, though I haven't done any casting calls for nude models so I don't know if I'm there yet.

2) Offer payment for skilled models, with the advance explanation that you don't have the portfolio or skill set yet. Make sure the model knows in advance that it will be a learning experience for you and a paid gig for her.

3) Work with subpar models and flakes.

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Hiring friends to share the cost is usually pointless IMHO. You'll get half a dozen guys to all shoot one model, they'll all shoot at once, the model won't know where to look, or will be rushed and there'll be no creative collaboration so far as where to pose, how, etc. There's a reason why these types of shoots are usually referred to as "gangbangs". It's generally not pleasant for anyone involved. One complaint I would hear a lot from photographers who did such things was that at the end of the day, everyone got the same shots, that is: model is on a nice chaise lounge, maybe with a decent lighting setup that someone went through the trouble of arranging....and then every photographer there took turns shooting over one anothers shoulders in a frenzy, and now that cool shot you think you got is very similar to 40-50 others that are now being posted online.

Agreed. I hate those kinds of shoots, where several photographers are all clamoring for the attention of one model. Maybe two photographers splitting the cost might work, and taking turns shooting/assisting; any more than that and the results start to suffer considerably.


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Jun 28, 2017 13:22 |  #5

I found it helpful to pay the first few models... it allowed me to get used to to differences in shooting style with out worrying about posing them as much.

After that, I worked with lots of young and "up-comming" models (wanna be models), doing head shots, dresses, etc.. then a few started showing up in lingerie and such on there own.

Now, when they see my portfolio, they kind of know what to expect.




  
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Jun 28, 2017 14:33 |  #6

I attended over 20 group shoots organized through meetup.com, most were great, all in the Bay Area. I also hired models directly via MM and rented a local studio for just a one on one. But the group shots are also great for learning if well organized.
Unfortunately meetup eventually decided to not allow nudity on their site and many of those groups shut down, this might have changed by now, I haven't looked in a while.

There's one photographer in the South Bay that always sets up really good shoots, great studio, great lights, lots of experimenting. Glam, nude, fashion, and other things. I think he now only has a group on google. PM me if interested and I'll see if I can find it. Don't want to post it here w/o asking him.

I haven't done this in a while, as I have hundreds if not thousands of shots to edit (and then do what with?), but have been thinking about joining one or the other group shoot again.

If you hire a model directly, make sure to have a plan and explain it to the model(s) so they can bring wardrobe and accessories, make sure everything is set up to go, provide water and some snack stuff. MM is a good place to start, read reviews etc, communicate ideas, respect set limits explained by each model.

But especially if just starting out organized shoots are great. Take some behind the scenes photos of light setup etc too.

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Jul 02, 2017 16:28 |  #7

I'm in the South Bay (San Jose). My best experience has always been travelling models that come to the Bay Area. They are willing to work with all skill levels and are all professional and will help you to get the best shots. I've been slowly developing a list of local models to work with and can send those on via PM if you wish.

As mentioned above it helps to have a plan on what you want to shoot, but it is not entirely necessary. I like to show some samples of other peoples work as a starting point. They can then expand from that.

Also as mentioned above Rafa's Meetup in Sunnyvale is outstanding. He hires all of the travelling models coming through and really does nice lighting setups and shoots.


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Jul 08, 2017 14:28 |  #8

University/college student forums often have areas you can offer work to potential models.


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Nov 14, 2017 22:44 |  #10

I don't know when they made the change but Model Mayhem doesn't let Free users communicate with anyone anymore. It's fairly cheap but if you're paying a model $100 - $300 for a shoot... there's got to be a cheaper place to find models for hire.


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Dec 15, 2017 08:39 |  #11

I use Purpleport.com and for models in the UK it is excellent. I pay them (I am under no illusion that I am any good as a photographer, so do not expect models to want to work with me other than for money).

There are also great advantages to paying models, in that they should be professional, skillful and generally good at modelling. Two struggling artists in the room does not always make a great picture.

I have shot seven female models, and cannot complain about any one of them. They bring a lot more to a shoot than I first expected. One even checked the shots to make sure I was lighting them OK. Because I was new at it, that really helped.

A photographer is generally not good at describing poses or worse, showing them :) so a good model can provide the ideas and a starting point.

Really good models make the novice photographer feel at ease, regardless of the models' state of undress.


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Dec 15, 2017 09:00 |  #12

gacon1 wrote in post #18387863 (external link)
Some never show up, another show up but look like she is "in a hurry", wants the shooting end as fast as possible, get the money and leave !

Sounds like a typical Vegas escort. ;-)a

Sorry, I couldn't resist!


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Dec 15, 2017 11:11 |  #13

I suggest you get involved with Meetup.com. Yes, there’s an app for that.

Join up and add your interests. RSVP to shoots in your area and enjoy.

I’ve also started my own group to attract people with similar studio photography interests in my local area to meet up and shoot. In my studio or out on location.

Largely, shoots can be free or inexpensive enough to share the costs of real model(s) who won’t flake. That is if you use a modeling agency (highly recommended).

In my studio, I limit to 10 people max so each photog has quality time with a model, lighting and practice and some one-on-one instruction. Since it’s my Meetup group, I can control the herd, set the rules and not allow gang shoots of one model.

I’ll Let each fotog shoot one on one where all can watch, listen and learn - and wait their turn. Seems 10 or less is a good number for that. Quite social and fun for all.


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Dec 25, 2017 08:05 |  #14

As I'm working with the same issue, the key point is be patient. My first "professional" model who had many good reviews on Model Mayhem showed up stoned out of her mind. Slurred speech, messed up makeup the works. Needless to say, the shoot was called off.

This didn't stop me from trying again, The next model was very professional, I was a bit concerned that she brought her boyfriend with her, but I knew about it in advance and he was very useful when I came to holding reflectors.

Try them all, and be patient.




  
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Feb 07, 2018 11:13 |  #15

BasAndrews wrote in post #18518415 (external link)
Really good models make the novice photographer feel at ease, regardless of the models' state of undress.

It should equally read: Really good photographers make the novice model at ease, regardless of her state of undress. ;)

so read on if looking for models ... :)

Speak to people you think fit for the job about your search, You'd be surprised how many 'non pro' models have stood (partly) nude in front of my lens, ... in certain ways I prefer them over 'pro' models, because they are not stuck to 'readymade fashionable standard poses' as are some of the so-called pro's. (I'm not denying the value of a real pro in fine art nude modelling, they are worth their investment more than ever in this 'prudish' age)
I always carry business cards, I hand them over a card, explain in a friendly mannered way and in 1 sentence what I'm doing, and ask them to look at my work. It is upto them if they choose to react to my question or not. This has taken some a week, a month or a year, or they don't get back to me at all, but you lose nothing trying. (except for the 5ct. card)
When a girl responds, I take time to find out why she reacted in the first place, what kind of images she liked and how she thinks she will fit into my portfolio. It takes a lot of communication, but most often they come for free, I mostly offer to pay travel expenses.

good luck!

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