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Jan 28, 2018 23:24 |  #16

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In 10 years, I've mounted this lens to a tripod fewer than 20 times,....

You've beat me by a factor of 20! I got my first one in 2004.


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Jan 29, 2018 00:10 |  #17

Snydremark wrote in post #18548990 (external link)
In 10 years, I've mounted this lens to a tripod fewer than 20 times, I'd say.


CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18551445 (external link)
You've beat me by a factor of 20! I got my first one in 2004.

This lack of tripod use is interesting to me.

There is one kind of bird photography that I use this lens for a lot, and I have always HAD to use a tripod for it, because I have no idea how I would ever get the shots if I shot handheld. . This is shooting birds at cavity nests when I know precisely what composition I want before the birds even show up.

Either I am doing something REALLY WRONG, or you two don't do this one very specific type of photography with it.


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Jan 29, 2018 00:51 |  #18

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18551455 (external link)
This lack of tripod use is interesting to me.

There is one kind of bird photography that I use this lens for a lot, and I have always HAD to use a tripod for it, because I have no idea how I would ever get the shots if I shot handheld. . This is shooting birds at cavity nests when I know precisely what composition I want before the birds even show up.

Either I am doing something REALLY WRONG, or you two don't do this one very specific type of photography with it.

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Correct; don't shoot cavities...would definitely have to use a tripod for that.


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Jan 29, 2018 01:00 |  #19

Tripod used for both of these shots. 5 stop ND filter used also.
Focus and horizon levelling done in first shot, waiting for the sun to make an appearance. Tripod allows me to swing camera into position with panning base of ballhead and then I don't want to risk eye damage looking through viewfinder. I don't want to damage my equipment either but I do value my eyesight more.
As it eventuated, the sun's appearance was not particularly photogenic but I was prepared and safe.

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Jan 30, 2018 16:24 |  #20

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18551455 (external link)
This lack of tripod use is interesting to me.

There is one kind of bird photography that I use this lens for a lot, and I have always HAD to use a tripod for it, because I have no idea how I would ever get the shots if I shot handheld. . This is shooting birds at cavity nests when I know precisely what composition I want before the birds even show up.

Either I am doing something REALLY WRONG, or you two don't do this one very specific type of photography with it.

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I use the 100-400mm for hand held use exclusively. It's my fast pointer. When i am going to lug a tripod, I just go ahead and bring my 500mm too.

On my MkI I removed the collar and used to pack it on occasion in case I though I might use it. Never did.
On my MkII I removed the foot altogether, ( I was mad they wouldn't let me remove the collar) In the field I wouldn't even have a way to mount it if I decided too.


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Jan 30, 2018 16:58 |  #21

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I use the 100-400mm for hand held use exclusively. It's my fast pointer. When i am going to lug a tripod, I just go ahead and bring my 500mm too.

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That makes sense. . The reason this doesn't work for me is because so many times at these "set ups", I need to shoot from a fixed spot (no way to move closer to the subject or further from the subject), and I need focal lengths that are much shorter than 500mm. . In fact, very few of my 100-400mm shots are taken at 400mm.

Often times at these types of shoots, one reason that the tripod is necessary is because I have to have the camera set up at a place where I can't reach it to get my finger on the shutter button. . So the only way to shoot is to have the camera and the 100-400mm all set up on a tripod and then trigger the shutter with a remote release.

I just don't have any idea how this could be accomplished without a tripod, and I have no idea how it could be done with a 500mm if you need a much wider field of view, such as 192mm or 265mm or whatever.


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Feb 02, 2018 12:26 |  #22

I shoot with 100-400mm II hand held a lot... But for longer shooting sessions the 3 lb. lens on a 2 lb. camera can get pretty tiring (especially since I usually have at least a second camera, with shorter lens on it that I'm also carrying and using). At some events I'm shooting for 5, 6 or 8 hours or longer, nearly continuously. And at those times I'll put it all on a tripod (w/gimbal head when shooting sports action) or at least a monopod.


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Feb 02, 2018 13:39 |  #23

I'm also a hand-held shooter with the 100-400mm orig before I sold it and the 100-400mm II currently. If I am going to be in one place more or less, I will use a monopod. For a few situations (for instance, moon eclipse), I use a tripod.

The bokeh is usually fine with these lenses, but it depends on the situation. Sometimes there is a weird doubling in fine highlights.


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Feb 02, 2018 17:40 |  #24

The original Mk I version of this lens is very capable in a variety of situations. It is my go to lens for shooting my daughter's softball and lacrosse games. One caveat though, it really likes good light and that's where it shines. It is also my main lens for motorsports like the Rolex 24 last weekend. Like Jake said, it is easy enough to hand hold and once you get used to the push/pull zoom, you can catch action pretty quickly. With a capable body, you can push the ISO up at night and still get good results. I got some nice pans at ISO 3200 at night with this lens on my 1D Mk III.
The prices for this lens used right now make it a bargain for that kind of performance. I've only used a tripod with it when shooting the moon. This version also really doesn't do well with teleconverters.
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Feb 09, 2018 01:33 |  #25

kat.hayes wrote in post #18548944 (external link)
1. Do you need a tripod when shooting with one of these for either photos or videos?


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The EOS M6 Mirrorless on the EF 100-400mmL II lens. Usually I have this lens on an EOS 6D.

No you don't need a tripod. The 4-Stop Image Stabilizer on the 100-400mmL II lens is VERY effective - and it's quite impressive to observe when it's operating. But you can make your life easier by using a Monopod. I bought a small Manfrotto monopod to go with this camera and it enables me to carry it more easily and to stand for hours at a time without any fatigue. If I'm shooting wildlife or surfers it makes things simple. If you want to shoot pictures of the moon at night then you can choose to shoot handheld or use a Tripod.


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I tend to carry this lens via the Tripod-mount foot which is included with the lens as part of the ring-mount. But the foot is not particularly long so only two or three fingers can grasp it... But by adding the monopod, it allows me to further grip the lens with my thumb around/against the base of the monopod. It's safer to carry this way because the grip is more secure. Using a large lens on a camera mount usually applies critical pressure to the mount on the camera. So it's often recommended to use the mounting foot and a safety tether (there's a slot on the front of the foot). I don't know anyone who uses a tether. The Monopod I use cost me about $46 and is rated to the weight of the lens + camera.

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2. How well does this lens work with creating a bokeh effect behind the subject?


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An example of Bokeh for an up-close subject. My wife is the burry blob on the far right. She had been bringing food to the local park to feed the critters and this large Eastern Water Dragon had accepted her as a friend. When I sat on the grass to take her picture.... he ran up to me to try and scare me away from her. I snapped him instead. The bokeh here is about as good as I could hope to ask for from a lens.

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Even at maximum zoom, you can get distinct subject separation with a shallow DOF from this lens. I took a number of shots over the water (from a bridge) and found that objects that were closer created stronger bokeh than you can see in this shot. I had just obtained this lens when i took this picture and had not updated the lens correction and vignetting correction on my camera.


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Some strong Bokeh from a subject shot with the EF 100-400mmL II + EF 2x III Extender attached. The green color was the result of heavy rain on the grass and was not enhanced.

The Bokeh from this lens (as you can see from Gonzogolf's reply) is really quite beautiful and it's also pronounced.



  
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Feb 09, 2018 09:37 |  #26

Here is an example of the bokeh that the Mark II makes at times. The Mark I was similar.

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Feb 09, 2018 09:54 |  #27

Archibald wrote in post #18559965 (external link)
Here is an example of the bokeh that the Mark II makes at times. The Mark I was similar.

It's only fair to point out that you shot this at f9.

If your goal had been to create more creamy bokeh, the lens would have been very capable of doing so if you had used different settings and positioned yourself a bit differently. . That choppy, "nervous" bokeh is not a fault, or a characteristic, of the lens.


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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18559974 (external link)
That choppy, "nervous" bokeh is not a fault, or a characteristic, of the lens.

Obviously it is. LOL.


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Obviously it is. LOL.

No, it is a result of the type of background you chose to put behind the subject, and of the ratio between the camera-to-subject distance and the subject-to-background distance. . And also a result of the aperture you chose to use. . Not a fault or characteristic of the lens.


If you do everything you possibly can to make bokeh look bad, and then it does look bad, how can that be blamed on the optics? . That's like missing a target at 50 yards by 20 feet, and then saying that the firearm was to blame for the inaccuracy.


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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18559985 (external link)
No, it is a result of the type of background you chose to put behind the subject, and of the ratio between the camera-to-subject distance and the subject-to-background distance. . And also a result of the aperture you chose to use. . Not a fault or characteristic of the lens.

If you do everything you possibly can to make bokeh look bad, and then it does look bad, how can that be blamed on the optics? . That's like missing a target at 50 yards by 20 feet, and then saying that the firearm was to blame for the inaccuracy.

The Mark I and II versions of the 100-400mm are known to produce this kind of ropy bokeh at times. They are not the only ones. Other lenses do the same.

Anyway, it's silly to say that it doesn't produce the bokeh that it produces.

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