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Jan 25, 2018 11:20 |  #1

All, this is another print that I am considering entering into the National PPA IPC competition. I can't seem to come up with a good title. Do any of you have suggestions? Also, I would appreciate any critique you might have. Again, I am looking at this through the 12 elements of an image meriting. So, I would really appreciate your critiques in that light.

Edit: I have added the original version so that everyone can see the difference.

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Jan 25, 2018 11:43 |  #2

I'm not a landscape photographer, so this critique may not be valid, but the first thing I noticed (besides the beautiful colors and scenery) was how unbalanced the image feels to me. There is about three times as much sky in the reflection as there is at the top of the image, which makes the image feel very top heavy. The top feels cut a bit close and the bottom feels like there is a bit too much negative space. That is my only critique as I think it's an amazing capture otherwise.

Just a random question that is not a critique, but why do so many landscape photographers put borders on their digital files?


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Jan 25, 2018 11:54 as a reply to Jarvis Creative Studios's post |  #3

Thank you for the feedback. The intent of leaving the unbalanced image with more water at the bottom, was to draw your attention to the water and the circularly around the water and to the mountains. I will try it with less negative space at the bottom, but what I don't want to get to is an image that is a mirror image of itself at midpoint.

With regard to the border, some sort of border or matting is expected when entering competition. Element 6 says:

"6.) Presentation affects an image by giving it a finished look. The mats and borders used, either physical or digital, should support and enhance the image, not distract from it."

So, that is why most images have some sort of border with a fine line that enhances the image and draws your attention to the color in the image (in this case, I used the sky, because that is the majority of the image). Hope this helps, and thanks again for the feedback.


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Jan 25, 2018 12:03 |  #4

My only criticism would be that, at the extreme right, there is a building which is being struck by the sunlight and thus is rather bright in an otherwise darker area. The brightness makes it slightly distracting.


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Jan 25, 2018 12:05 |  #5

FPP wrote in post #18548676 (external link)
My only criticism would be that, at the extreme right, there is a building which is being struck by the sunlight and thus is rather bright in an otherwise darker area. The brightness makes it slightly distracting.

Thank you. That is not a building, but part of a tree. I will clone it out and put up a new image shortly. Good observation, though, and I appreciate it.


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Jan 25, 2018 12:46 |  #6

I like the photo but a few things jumped out at me on first impression.

The image feels like it needs more room at the top of the photo. If you had a bare sky I could understand cropping as tight as you did but with the nice sky that you had I think the image works better with the top of the tallest mountain not positioned so close the top of the frame.

I find the reeds and the tall tree on the right distracting and they are not adding anything compositionally to the image. I think (?) perhaps you were using the near and far bank as leading lines that pointed towards the mountains, but the line of the water is going towards the right 1/4 of the image and not towards the mountains. Also, because there is only a sliver of the reeds in the frame it feels like the reeds are inadvertently poking into the frame rather than an intended part of the composition. The tall tree on the right that is getting hit by the sun catches the eye and draws it away from being led up to the mountains.

The light hitting the trees on the far bank is gorgeous but it is so bright that it keeps the eye anchored in the center of the frame. Perhaps try decreasing it just a bit, particularly on the left edge of the frame.

I know you said you wanted to avoid a having a mirror image at the midpoint. I played around with it a bit by cropping out the tree/reeds on the right, a little on the left and bottom, and adding some sky on the top. To my eye this improves the composition but it does give it a more classic 50/50 reflection type of shot which you say you want to avoid.

Just my two cents :) Good luck in the competition.


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Jan 25, 2018 13:59 |  #7

Somewhat along the lines of Bcaps I also find the reeds on the right distracting and they are not adding anything compositionally to the image. I would crop tighter on the right..


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Jan 25, 2018 14:01 |  #8

Bcaps wrote in post #18548706 (external link)
The light hitting the trees on the far bank is gorgeous but it is so bright that it keeps the eye anchored in the center of the frame. Perhaps try decreasing it just a bit, particularly on the left edge of the frame.

I toned down the left side some. Is that any better?


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Jan 25, 2018 14:04 |  #9

digirebelva wrote in post #18548764 (external link)
Somewhat along the lines of Bcaps I also find the reeds on the right distracting and they are not adding anything compositionally to the image. I would crop tighter on the right..

I can see what you are talking about, but I am concerned about bringing it in any further. I still want to have the right bank of the river in the picture and cropping out the reeds would give the impression that I was standing in the middle of the water when I took the shot. But I will crop it and look at it some more. Thank you for taking the time to critique it.

Does anyone have any ideas for a title? I'm still struggling with that one.


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Jan 25, 2018 14:13 |  #10

Not knowing the requirements for this type of competition, I assume you are allowed to clone out elements from the picture?

I just recall a winner of a NatGeo photo competition that lost his winning status when they became aware he cloned out a piece of trash on a rock.


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Jan 25, 2018 14:35 |  #11

abacus022 wrote in post #18548783 (external link)
Not knowing the requirements for this type of competition, I assume you are allowed to clone out elements from the picture?

I just recall a winner of a NatGeo photo competition that lost his winning status when they became aware he cloned out a piece of trash on a rock.

Yes, in this case you are allowed to do anything you want to with the image. It is a print competition, not a photograph competition. So, you can clone out or clone in whatever you want.


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Feb 10, 2018 07:57 |  #12

This is my final edit of this image before I submit it for competition. I have taken everyone's comments into consideration. Thank you for the feedback!

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Feb 10, 2018 09:19 |  #13

The second one is better. The first thing I noticed when I opened the thread is it looks a little muted. There are no real highlights, at least according to the histogram. It looks like it is slightly underexposed. If you compressed your histogram, and pulled it a little more to the right, it may "pop" a little more. Just my two cents...


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Feb 10, 2018 09:34 |  #14

paul3221 wrote in post #18560624 (external link)
The second one is better. The first thing I noticed when I opened the thread is it looks a little muted. There are no real highlights, at least according to the histogram. It looks like it is slightly underexposed. If you compressed your histogram, and pulled it a little more to the right, it may "pop" a little more. Just my two cents...

Thanks for the critique. I'm printing on a polar pearl metallic paper, so it actually does "pop" when printed. But, I will look into lightening it up some, also. I have also added the original untouched version to the thread so that everyone can see what has been changed. If anyone has additional comments, please make them now. The deadline for submission is rapidly approaching! Thanks!

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Feb 11, 2018 14:39 |  #15

I cropped this some and improved the highlights. Critiques welcome.

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