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Why No Arca Compatible Grooves

 
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Feb 11, 2018 19:24 |  #1

I absolutely LOVE my EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II and my EF 70-200mm f/4L IS lenses. I also love my Arca Compatible tripod clamps. Unfortunately, "never the twain shall meet".

It would be so easy, and not cost much more in manufacturing if Canon would cut grooves in the tripod feet for these lenses that could accommodate an Arca Compatible clamp.

I ended up purchasing an expensive Kirk aftermarket foot for my 100-400 Mk ii lens. I resent spending that much money to "upgrade" a lens which cost close to two thousand dollars.

I use an A/C plate to mount the 70-200mm camera/lens combination to the tripod clamp but, wish I could mount the foot directly to the clamp like I can with the Kirk aftermarket foot.

Please Canon, wake up to the 21st Century...


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Feb 11, 2018 20:11 |  #2

I haven't heard of a lens brand having arca compatible lens collars. I think they figure it best something separate since some don't use arca systems, and then there isn't just one gauge. I like this one plate system, that is compatible with the arca ball head I use. They make the plates ergonomic, so it's more comfortable resting the collar's foot on your palm. I also have the camera plate with shoulder strap system, which is a nice system on my gripped 5D.

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Feb 11, 2018 20:20 |  #3

davesrose wrote in post #18561717 (external link)
I haven't heard of a lens brand having arca compatible lens collars. I think they figure it best something separate since some don't use arca systems, and then there isn't just one gauge.

Right, Dave.

It's not like everybody uses arca swiss clamps. . Many people use a lot of different clamp systems, so I don't see why Canon should/would make their lens feet specifically to fit just one of the clamp types.

Persoanlly, I like a really long plate for my 100-400, because of the way I use it for certain things at very close distances at times. . So even if it did come from the factory with an arca swiss foot, I would still have to buy a much longer arca swiss plate and mount it to the bottom of the foot, anyway.

The arca swiss plate that I use on my 100-400 is 8 1/2 inches long. . It enables me to slide it real far forward so that the camera can get a couple inches closer to the subject at times when there just isn't any way to move the tripod any closer. . This is extremely useful for certain scenarios, such as suspending the camera over the water for super-close-up frog photos.


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Feb 11, 2018 20:52 |  #4

davesrose wrote in post #18561717 (external link)
I haven't heard of a lens brand having arca compatible lens collars. [/URL]

My Tamron 150-600mm G2 has it and I love it.




  
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Feb 12, 2018 03:51 |  #5

I don't use an arca swiss anything; don't even know what you guys are talking about. But I'm quite sure I don't want to pay more for every piece of Canon glass just so a select few of you can have whatever degree of compatibility you are seeking.


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Feb 12, 2018 05:36 |  #6

Bassat wrote in post #18561884 (external link)
I don't use an arca swiss anything; don't even know what you guys are talking about. But I'm quite sure I don't want to pay more for every piece of Canon glass just so a select few of you can have whatever degree of compatibility you are seeking.

It's not "a select few".

Sirui heads are owned by many members of POTN, they are all ARCA compatible.
RRS and Kirk are also used by many members, also ARCA compatible.
Peak Designs also use ARCA compatible clamps and plates.
ProMedia Gear.
Wimberley.
LensMaster.

The number of Chinese brands that make ARCA compatible clamps and plates, I have no idea the number.
Just a few:
Fittest
Desmond
Sunwayfoto
Kiwifotos
iShoot
Jobu

Of those listed above iShoot and Wimberely are the only ones that I don't have one of their clamps or plates and I have an actual Arca Swiss clamp as well.
The "compatible" may be debateable. If using screw clamps anyone of those will work with all other brands. Some lever clamps may not clamp properly.
I don't think it's reasonable to say the ARCA system is not becoming a standard.

The fact Tamron have now included ARCA dovetails on a lens foot is an obvious indication that ARCA is becoming a standard.


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Feb 12, 2018 05:52 as a reply to  @ Choderboy's post |  #7

Would you estimate that more or less than one-half of Canon users use any of this stuff? My guess is less. Canon gear is expensive enough. Let's not ask them to include something all of would have to pay for, and less than all of use would use. Lots of people use remote/cable releases, too. Let's all pay $50 more for every camera so those folks can have an accessory the rest of us will never use. Same idea.

I would not want to pay $25-75 more for a consumer grade Canon lens just to have a 'free' hood. I get most of mine from Amazon for less the $10.


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Feb 12, 2018 06:10 as a reply to  @ Bassat's post |  #8

Yes, let's ask them.

Tamron have done it. Well done Tamron.

OP mentioned 100-400 II. We are already paying more for Canon to design the tripod collar so that we can't use a third party collar. Just the collar without foot AU$820. First time I am aware Canon made a collar that cannot be removed. The stupid removeable foot has a tendency to come loose and has a rounded back making a lens plate less secure.

Tamron provide a feature many would like. Canon provide complexity and weakness.


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Feb 12, 2018 09:30 |  #9

My old Sigma 150-500 tripod foot has a dovetail at the bottom,a bit tight but it works with my arca gear, it would cost nothing to implement on all tripod feet,just a change to the casting.


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Feb 12, 2018 11:08 |  #10

SIGMA and Tamron are doing it. (mind you the SIGMA's usually are an optional part, and a pricey one at that.)

Canon should do it. Arca has been THE end of the road for mounting plate standards now for coming up on two decades. In particular on the long lenses where NO ONE** uses them without Arca.


**patiently waits for the exception to come along and post to prove the rule :)


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Feb 12, 2018 11:09 |  #11

Choderboy wrote in post #18561918 (external link)
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Tamron provide a feature many would like. Canon provide complexity and weakness.


Have I mentioned lately how much I HATE this design as well? lol  :p


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Feb 12, 2018 11:11 |  #12

Bassat wrote in post #18561915 (external link)
Would you estimate that more or less than one-half of Canon users use any of this stuff? My guess is less. ...

I'd say it depends on the lens line.
Again, I am confident that the vast majority of birders using super telephotos are using Arca.

Aslo, I honestly can not imagine that one foot with a dovetail in the casting would cost more to make than one without.


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Feb 12, 2018 11:25 |  #13

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18562066 (external link)
I'd say it depends on the lens line.
Again, I am confident that the vast majority of birders using super telephotos are using Arca.

Aslo, I honestly can not imagine that one foot with a dovetail in the casting would cost more to make than one without.

I have a dove-tail doohickey that I screw into the bottom of my camera so I can mount it on a tripod. Is that what we are talking about? Are they all the same? If so, it would be mighty convenient to have the tripod ring milled in that shape, so long as it is a one-size-fits all operation.


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Feb 12, 2018 12:44 |  #14

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Have I mentioned lately how much I HATE this design as well? lol  :p

You definitely got the message across :-P


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Feb 12, 2018 12:44 |  #15

Bassat wrote in post #18562073 (external link)
I have a dove-tail doohickey that I screw into the bottom of my camera so I can mount it on a tripod. Is that what we are talking about? Are they all the same? If so, it would be mighty convenient to have the tripod ring milled in that shape, so long as it is a one-size-fits all operation.

If it's not a Manfrotto head then probably yes


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