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Jan 07, 2010 02:34 |  #1

Please add any comments / suggestions on the LordV macrophotography post here rather than clogging up the original thread which will be locked.
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Jan 07, 2010 02:46 |  #2

Thought you said you where not much of a writer in a previous thread :p :lol:

Seriously though, thanks for this write up, and I do have a question:
I do have a 430ex II and a ST-E2 so I can fire the flash off camera, however I am not quite satisfied with the set up because I tend to get shadows and sometimes, depending on my set up, an uneven gradient. I thought about getting the expensive MT-24Ex but started to wonder if getting a 580ex II to add to my set up would be a better choice? I would love to hear your thoughs on this


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Jan 07, 2010 02:57 |  #3

slitherjef wrote in post #9342104external link
Thought you said you where not much of a writer in a previous thread :p :lol:

Seriously though, thanks for this write up, and I do have a question:
I do have a 430ex II and a ST-E2 so I can fire the flash off camera, however I am not quite satisfied with the set up because I tend to get shadows and sometimes, depending on my set up, an uneven gradient. I thought about getting the expensive MT-24Ex but started to wonder if getting a 580ex II to add to my set up would be a better choice? I would love to hear your thoughs on this

Not really certain I can answer this, I've just got rather used to using a single flash light source and find that fine for my requirements. I think a second large flash would be rather awkward for a hand held set up but might be fine for a tripod setup.
With a single flash and a largish diffuser setup near the end of the lens I don't find shadows too much of a problem, the main issue I have is when the bug is facing in the wrong direction as I can't easily move the flash over to the other side with my setups but that is not a serious problem.
If you are planning to use 2 light sources on a handheld setup then the MT-24Ex may be the best choice.
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Jan 07, 2010 04:09 |  #4

slitherjef wrote in post #9342104external link
Thought you said you where not much of a writer in a previous thread :p :lol:

Seriously though, thanks for this write up, and I do have a question:
I do have a 430ex II and a ST-E2 so I can fire the flash off camera, however I am not quite satisfied with the set up because I tend to get shadows and sometimes, depending on my set up, an uneven gradient. I thought about getting the expensive MT-24Ex but started to wonder if getting a 580ex II to add to my set up would be a better choice? I would love to hear your thoughs on this

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Not really certain I can answer this, I've just got rather used to using a single flash light source and find that fine for my requirements. I think a second large flash would be rather awkward for a hand held set up but might be fine for a tripod setup.
With a single flash and a largish diffuser setup near the end of the lens I don't find shadows too much of a problem, the main issue I have is when the bug is facing in the wrong direction as I can't easily move the flash over to the other side with my setups but that is not a serious problem.
If you are planning to use 2 light sources on a handheld setup then the MT-24Ex may be the best choice.
Brian v.

I used to work with two twin flashes on brackets in my film days, one flash was a Vivitar 283 and the other was smaller.

Of course it was all manual flash exposure then, but ergonomically it was quite an awkward setup, just about usable in the field handheld in landscape but not portrait orientations. Flash position flexibility was no-existent although there are better brackets now.

I use the twin flash now (it is the only flash I have) and find it great, I have to say Brian does seem to get super soft light with his mega diffuser setup however.


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Jan 07, 2010 06:27 |  #5

LordV,
Great idea and well written to help answer questions for macro photography :)


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Jan 07, 2010 06:31 |  #6

I like the control that I get with the MT-24EX over the way that shadows fall in a scene. The drawback is that two light sources will also give you two sets of specular highlights to deal with.

One of the best two standard flash setups I've seen is the one used by Blepharopsisexternal link -beautiful diffusion and light that makes the subject look very 3D.

Excellent beginner article Brian!


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Jan 07, 2010 07:15 as a reply to Dalantech's post |  #7

thats not a book, but you have to start somewhere :D


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Jan 07, 2010 08:40 |  #8

Bravo. Thank you from a beginner in macro. It's very helpful to have all I need to get started in one well written summary - without the confusion that can result when the experts start discussing the finer points.


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Jan 07, 2010 08:44 |  #9

Kudos to you for putting that info together. you are a pioneer and the World's BEST Macro photographer. :)


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Jan 07, 2010 14:46 |  #10

Thanks for writing it! I am looking forward to future installments.


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Jan 07, 2010 14:49 |  #11

Great job, Brian!

Thanks for doing this.

I look forward to learning a lot from the MACRO LORD!!


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Jan 08, 2010 00:50 |  #12

Thanks for the comments.
Hope it will be useful. Obviously it will just be my limited viewpoint on macro shooting but thought it might be a useful exercise for me if I do ever get round to trying to do a book.
BTW you can thank the freezing weather we are experiencing in the UK for this :)

If there is anything specific you want me to cover (that I might know about) post a comment here.

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Jan 08, 2010 01:07 as a reply to LordV's post |  #13

Hey LordV, I currently have Tamron 90mm and plan to upgrade to Tamron 180mm later. If I buy Canon MR-14EX Macro Ring Lite, will that work for both Tamron lenses? thank you.


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Jan 08, 2010 01:20 |  #14

minh2pac wrote in post #9349446external link
Hey LordV, I currently have Tamron 90mm and plan to upgrade to Tamron 180mm later. If I buy Canon MR-14EX Macro Ring Lite, will that work for both Tamron lenses? thank you.

You would need to check that you have/ can get an adapter ring for for the filter size of the tamron 180 but yes it should work but I think a camera mounted normal flash would also work just as well with the 180.
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You may have realised from the comment in the macro guide I would not consider a Tamron 180 an upgrade from the 90mm lens- quite the reverse in fact. Unless you are not handholding the lens and really need the extra working distance or want the nicer background bokeh I would not change the 90mm lens.
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Jan 08, 2010 01:35 |  #15

LordV wrote in post #9349509external link
...You may have realised from the comment in the macro guide I would not consider a Tamron 180 an upgrade from the 90mm lens- quite the reverse in fact. Unless you are not handholding the lens and really need the extra working distance or want the nicer background bokeh I would not change the 90mm lens.
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I'd also add that you might not like the light quality of the MR-14EX -even with ratio control it's going to look flat. Also the working distance is greater with the 180mm, and the level of diffusion you get with a flash is relative to the distance between the flash and the subject -get the flash closer to what you're shooting and the diffusion gets better. So you might like the light quality of the MR-14EX with the 90mm, only to get disappointed when you use it on the 180mm...


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