Canon Digital Photography Forums  

Go Back   Canon Digital Photography Forums > 'Sharing Knowhow' section > Photography Industry News > Rumors > Lens Rumors and Predictions
Register Rules FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 21st of February 2011 (Mon)   #1
dolina
Goldmember
 
dolina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 34109
Posts: 4,451
Default Nikon & how Canon Updates Lenses

A lot of us are waiting for updates to the lenses below.

Pre-2006 L primes that are expected to be updated from oldest to newest

1993 EF 400mm f/5.6L USM
1996 EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM
1996 EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
1996 EF 135mm f/2L USM
1997 EF 300mm f/4L IS USM
1998 EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

Pre-2005 L zooms that are expected to be updated from oldest to newest.

1995 EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM
1998 EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
1999 EF 70-200mm f/4L USM
2002 EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
2003 EF 17-40mm f/4L USM
2004 EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM

As such we visit CR & NL for leads on what and when these products will pop out.

Now I have noticed for the past few years that Canon & Nikon tend to try to outdo each other by being each other's follower. If Nikon releases a 200-400mm VR Canon has to respond with the 200-400mm IS with an added twist being the Ext 1.4x.

Seldom do they introduce new products out of nowhere like say the 200-400mm VR, 14-24mm, 800mm IS, TS-E 17mm, 8-15mm Fisheye, etc.

So what Ls do I think will be updated or introduced within the next 24 months? The answer is below

1991 TS-E 45mm f/2.8 (2008 PC-E Micro NIKKOR 45mm f/2.8D ED)
1991 TS-E 90mm f/2.8 (2008 PC-E Micro NIKKOR 85mm f/2.8D)
1998 EF 35mm f/1.4L USM (2011 AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.4G)

2002 EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM (2007 AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED)
2003 EF 17-40mm f/4L USM (2010 AF-S NIKKOR 16-35mm f/4G ED VR)
2004 EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM (2011 AF-S NIKKOR 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR)

I also expect an L treatment for the AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED soon.

Did not include EFS lenses as they are not an area of interest.
__________________
Visit my Flickr, Facebook & 500px and see my photos.

Last edited by dolina : 22nd of February 2011 (Tue) at 02:18.
dolina is offline   Reply With Quote
This ad block will go away when you log in as member
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #2
Mastamarek
Senior Member
 
Mastamarek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Posts: 1,882
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

70-200 was already updated I kinna want the update to 35L and 135L but just for the bragging rights as these lenses are very good. my picks will be 24-70II, 100-400II and 300F4 II. These would be my choices for first updates.
__________________
[ Facebook ]
[ imassmedia.pl ]
[ Flickr ]
[ My Blog ]
Mastamarek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #3
dolina
Goldmember
 
dolina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 34109
Posts: 4,451
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastamarek View Post
70-200 was already updated I kinna want the update to 35L and 135L but just for the bragging rights as these lenses are very good. my picks will be 24-70II, 100-400II and 300F4 II. These would be my choices for first updates.
The f/2.8 IS, yes but not the "f/2.8" non-IS or the "f/4" non-IS.

Unless Nikon intros lenses found in your choices then it is highly unlikely Canon would update them.
__________________
Visit my Flickr, Facebook & 500px and see my photos.
dolina is offline   Reply With Quote
This ad block will go away when you log in as member
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #4
Mastamarek
Senior Member
 
Mastamarek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Posts: 1,882
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

oh, lol. I totally forgot canon was making these lenses without IS. duhh
__________________
[ Facebook ]
[ imassmedia.pl ]
[ Flickr ]
[ My Blog ]
Mastamarek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #5
Malsam
Member
 
Malsam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 381
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

I'm waiting for the primes to be updated...especially the trinity 35, 85 and 135. ^^
__________________
Gear Stuffs
Malsam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #6
CAL Imagery
Goldmember
 
CAL Imagery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: O-H
Posts: 3,375
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

It makes complete business sense. As photographers we may want other lenses created or updates, but Canon is a manufacturing company.
__________________
Christian


CAL Imagery is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #7
Muggsly
Member
 
Muggsly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 153
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malsam View Post
I'm waiting for the primes to be updated...especially the trinity 35, 85 and 135. ^^
The 3 lenses you listed have to be some of the best primes I have had the pleasure to shoot with. Why update them? Or were you being facetious and I missed it? The 135L is on my short list for next purchase after testing it recently.
__________________
Light makes photography. Embrace light. Admire it. Love it. But above all, know light. Know it for all you are worth, and you will know the key to photography. - George Eastman

Gear List if you are a curious voyeur type take a look
Muggsly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #8
bsmotril
Goldmember
 
bsmotril's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 2,347
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

I don't think Nikon drives the updates. Rather, the increased resolution of newer sensors on Canon's latest cameras make the shortcomings of older lenses more visible. That combined with designing for easier and less expensive assembly process by the factory saving labor dollars and increasing profit.
bsmotril is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #9
dolina
Goldmember
 
dolina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 34109
Posts: 4,451
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggsly View Post
The 3 lenses you listed have to be some of the best primes I have had the pleasure to shoot with. Why update them? Or were you being facetious and I missed it? The 135L is on my short list for next purchase after testing it recently.
Updated USM
Dust- and water-resistant construction
Fluorite / UD Elements
SWC
Circular aperture
Aspherical elements
Hybrid IS
4 stops or more of IS

The same could be said with the 600mm IS, 500mm IS, 400mm IS & 300mm IS but they are being discontinued. Should I go any further?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmotril View Post
I don't think Nikon drives the updates. Rather, the increased resolution of newer sensors on Canon's latest cameras make the shortcomings of older lenses more visible. That combined with designing for easier and less expensive assembly process by the factory saving labor dollars and increasing profit.
It is a given that digital sensors record light differently from film and increasing resolution will show flaws unseen before.

If we followed FIFO a lot of the lenses mentioned here should have been updated years ago. FIFO is often applied to Canon's DSLR. Like right now I expect the next EOS body to be updated would be the 1Ds3 or 5D2.

What this thread intends to show is that Nikon provides Canon with the direction where they should start updating their glass. Design shortcomings like those found in the original 16-35/2.8L I is another motive to update.
__________________
Visit my Flickr, Facebook & 500px and see my photos.

Last edited by dolina : 22nd of February 2011 (Tue) at 11:49.
dolina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #10
Muggsly
Member
 
Muggsly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 153
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by dolina View Post
Updated USM
Dust- and water-resistant construction
Fluorite / UD Elements
SWC
Circular aperture
Aspherical elements
Hybrid IS
4 stops or more of IS

Should I go any further?
Water resistance would be nice but the rest of things you listed are not needed in many of their primes and will only increase the price considerably. Don't look a list of don't have but look at their optical quality which is phenomenal.

The 35mm could use some work but the 85mm and 135mm are perfect and not in need of any of the things you listed.
__________________
Light makes photography. Embrace light. Admire it. Love it. But above all, know light. Know it for all you are worth, and you will know the key to photography. - George Eastman

Gear List if you are a curious voyeur type take a look
Muggsly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #11
krb
Cream of the Crop
 
krb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Where southern efficiency and northern charm come together
Posts: 8,818
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Actually, IS would be nice to have on a fast prime. Especially the hybrid IS that Canon added to the 100L macro to keep that razor thin DOF where you want it.
__________________
-- Ken
Comment and critique is always appreciated!
Flickr
Gear list
krb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #12
Muggsly
Member
 
Muggsly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 153
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by krb View Post
Actually, IS would be nice to have on a fast prime. Especially the hybrid IS that Canon added to the 100L macro to keep that razor thin DOF where you want it.
I have the 100L and the IS is hardly used by me if ever. I think I used it a few times when I 1st got the lens but I haven't used it as of late. What sold me on the 100l was focus speed.
__________________
Light makes photography. Embrace light. Admire it. Love it. But above all, know light. Know it for all you are worth, and you will know the key to photography. - George Eastman

Gear List if you are a curious voyeur type take a look
Muggsly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #13
dolina
Goldmember
 
dolina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 34109
Posts: 4,451
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggsly View Post
Water resistance would be nice but the rest of things you listed are not needed in many of their primes and will only increase the price considerably. Don't look a list of don't have but look at their optical quality which is phenomenal.

The 35mm could use some work but the 85mm and 135mm are perfect and not in need of any of the things you listed.
Some features are applicable to all while other are to some.

These new glass have to work well with sensors of the next 10-20 years. The current glass may work great now but will they be at peak form with bodies 1-2 decades from today?

This is not a negotiation but a warning of things to come. If you feel that these glass need no updates then feel free to buy them now. If any of the glass I mentioned were to be updated a day, week, month or even quarter of when I bought it I'd feel bad. If I knew this and still bought it I would not feel that bad.

EF 85mm F1.2L II USM is not on the list. It was marketed in March 2006. The model before that was marketed in September 1989.

A good guide of features to be added can be found http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...Advantage_Perf and http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...s_Advantage_IS

Quote:
Originally Posted by krb View Post
Actually, IS would be nice to have on a fast prime. Especially the hybrid IS that Canon added to the 100L macro to keep that razor thin DOF where you want it.
I'd love to have 4-stops or more of IS on a 135mm that is f/1.8, 1.6 or 1.4. Same would be on a 400/5.6.

I'd love to have the following lens below updated soon.

1993 EF 400mm f/5.6L USM
1996 EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
1996 EF 135mm f/2L USM
1998 EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggsly View Post
I have the 100L and the IS is hardly used by me if ever. I think I used it a few times when I 1st got the lens but I haven't used it as of late. What sold me on the 100l was focus speed.
I have the 100mm Macro USM and if you want I accept a straight trade with your 100L Macro IS.
__________________
Visit my Flickr, Facebook & 500px and see my photos.
dolina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #14
krb
Cream of the Crop
 
krb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Where southern efficiency and northern charm come together
Posts: 8,818
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by dolina View Post
I'd love to have 4-stops or more of IS on a 135mm that is f/1.8, 1.6 or 1.4.
I was thinking of lenses like the 50L and 85L, but yeah a 135/1.4L IS would be a really, really nice lens.
__________________
-- Ken
Comment and critique is always appreciated!
Flickr
Gear list
krb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd of February 2011 (Tue)   #15
dolina
Goldmember
 
dolina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 34109
Posts: 4,451
Default Re: Nikon is why Canon updates lenses & vice versa

Quote:
Originally Posted by krb View Post
I was thinking of lenses like the 50L and 85L, but yeah a 135/1.4L IS would be a really, really nice lens.
A nice and heavy lens at around 2kg. But it'll be killer in indoor use.

Think a shorter/squatter 200/2L IS, 400/4 DO IS or 300mm/2.8L IS.

4 or more stops of IS on a 50/1.2L & 85/1.2L would be nice but unless Nikon does it it is unlikely.
__________________
Visit my Flickr, Facebook & 500px and see my photos.
dolina is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
5D to pair with 1DMKII...or vice versa? sonnyc Canon EOS Digital Cameras 12 15th of June 2009 (Mon) 20:17
How/when to use 50 1.4 and 85 1.8 and vice versa heb112 Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 14 29th of September 2008 (Mon) 00:28
Charging Sterlingtek batteries on Canon's charger / vice versa ooo Accessories & Storage 2 25th of September 2008 (Thu) 19:04
Nikon Users in Canon Boards and Vice versa 00silvergt The POTN Lounge 35 9th of May 2008 (Fri) 18:22
If switching between Aperture & LR or Vice versa Mstar RAW, Post Processing and Printing 0 18th of February 2008 (Mon) 16:09


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
This forum is not affiliated with Canon in any way and is run as a free user helpsite by Pekka Saarinen, Helsinki Finland. You will need to register in order to be able to post messages. Cookies are required for registering and posting. HTML in messages is not allowed, plain website addresses are automatically made active by the board.