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May 19, 2011 15:12 |  #1

I know we see a TON of threads about which GNDs should someone get, and I also know when you go to your favorite online stores, it's still not easy to find what you're looking for once you start searching... So I wrote up a post for my blog with everything linked that you can see here: http://www.benjacobsen​photo.com ...-neutral-density-filters/ (external link)

I also took some time and converted it to "BB code" so everyone could see it here. You might also want to check out the GND sample thread here:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=224448

On to the good stuff.

IMAGE: http://www.benjacobsenphoto.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/gnd-examples/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-img_0913.jpg
canon 5Dii w/17-40mm with Lee 2.5 stop hard GND w/o Lee CP

Filters are one of my most used tools in my kit. After the obvious camera, lens and tripod I use for my landscapes, my filters are always the next pieces out of my bag (followed by my remote). I prefer to capture my images as best as possible in camera to avoid as much processing as possible. Filters come a lot of options and that causes a lot of confusion. The goal with this post is to show you what I use, and help show you where to get it as I know it finding what you need isn’t easy even once people tell you you want a “Lee 3 stop hard transition 4×6″ GND”…

First, let’s start with what all those terms mean in the description of that specific filter. Lee is the brand. The three major brands in the US are Lee (best/most expensive), HiTech (medium quality and price, imported from Formatt in the UK), and Cokin (cheapest and least neutral). 3 stop is the density of the filter, or how dark it is in the top section (if it’s a GND, if it’s an ND, this also applies but the whole filter is the same color). Hard describes how quickly the transition from light to dark happens. Hard is fast, soft means it’s stretched out over a longer distance. There are also blender filters that transition across the entire length of the filter. 4×6 is the size of the filter in inches. The same filter could also be called a 100×150 for it’s size in millimeters, but in the US they use inches. GND stands for Gradual Neutral Density which means it’s dark on one and and clear on the other with a gradual transition somewhere between.

IMAGE: http://www.benjacobsenphoto.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/gnd-examples/canon-eos-7dimg_8859.jpg
canon 7D w/10-22mm with a HiTech 3 stop hard and 2 stop soft GND stacked (which caused the pink tint in the sky)

Now, on to what I use, and what I suggest you look for. My filter kit has changed several times since I started using filters years ago. When I started using GNDs I owned a sigma 12-24mm lens and used it on a Full Frame body so I was told “I couldn’t use filters with that lens”. I ended up sorting out a way to make it work which you can see here (external link). Because of the size of that lens and resulting setup, I was forced into using Cokin filters as they were the only option for filters larger than 4×6 at that time. Now none of this concerns the vast majority of you, but I’m bringing it up because I was basically forced into using the “worst” quality filters (Cokins) when I started because of this sizing issue. And I’ll tell you, while there IS a color cast to cokin filters (slightly red/magenta) it’s NOT all that bad, and in the majority of my sunrise and sunset shots I actually LIKED the effect. They were NOT neutral, but they worked very well. Once I switched to a more traditional wide angle lens that took threaded filters, I switched my setup to a traditional 4×6″ filter kit with a cokin holder and ring and I went with HiTech GND filters as everyone said they were more neutral than the cokins and the best compromise between cost and color. This is true, but I’ve also seen color issues with HiTechs, especially when you stack 2 filters when needed. I now shoot with a Lee kit and will replace them with Lees if I have to. They’re more expensive, but it’s a much nicer product.

Basically what you need to know when it comes to the brand of your GNDs is the more you pay the more neutral the filter will be. You can see that the cokins are slightly red just looking at them in your hand. With HiTechs they look gray and shoot gray with one filter all the time. With 2 filters stacked the images will be slightly pink, but not terrible. With Lees, they look gray and shoot gray even when stacked.

Now onto what specific parts you should get. I use a Lee foundations kit with the correct adapter ring for EACH lens. I then use my “LEE Filters 4×6″ Graduated Neutral Density (ND) 0.9 Resin Filter – Hard Edge” (or my “3 stop hard” as I like to call it) for the majority of my shots, as well as my Lee 4×4 circular polarizer (that’s NOT infact a circle, it’s a 4″x4″ square filter made with circular polarized glass). If I’m in the mood for some seriously long exposures I’ll swap the Lee CP for my Lee 10-stopper which is a 10 stop neutral density filter. All of this then goes into an adorama slinger filter holder (external link) and each filter gets it’s own Lee Velvet bag to make sure I don’t end up scratching the filters. That’s three filters, three velvet filter holders, one filter holder, on filter wallet, and one ring (per lens in my case).

IMAGE: http://www.benjacobsenphoto.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/gnd-examples/img_8730.jpg
canon 5Dii w/16-35mm with Cokin CP and Cokin 3 stop "soft" (Xs only came in one flavor, it was basically between a soft and hard in the smaller sizes)

Some people will get one ring and thread it onto the lens in use each time they setup, but that’s too much of a PITA for me so I have a ring for each lens. Taking my laziness a step further, I have also replaced all my lenscaps with neoprene lenscaps (external link) so that I can leave these rings on my lenses all the time. This makes setup VERY easy for me (I hate fighting with an adapter ring at 5am…) and is worth the additional cost for the ring ($30 each) and lenscaps ($13 each).

As for the quality of the filters, It would seem the cokin and the hitech are very close in terms of their color. Cokins filters are the same thickness and come with nicer sleeves. The cokin filters are 4″x6″ though, -vs- 4″x5″ on the hitech. This is a nice difference as a 4×6 gradual ND can very easily be used as an ND filter when pushed all the way into a holder. A 4×5 can as well on some lenses, but not all… 4×6 also means less finger prints on the working portion of you filter as you handle the filters. Cokin’s filter numbering system is NOT easy to understand though. All their grads are a 121 filter, but the letter at the end tells you the density and the transition. HiTech’s color is said to be the best compromise between price and color. Personally I’m not seeing a big color difference between their filters and the cokins. While they’re very close in price ($60.50 for the cokin -vs- $62.50 for the hitech) you get a 4×6 with the cokin -vs- a 4×5 for the hitech and the cokin comes in a nicer pouch… Lee is more neutral and comes with a nicer sleeve, but you really can’t carry the lees in their sleeves if you’re going to be bringing more than 1 or 2 along with you (you’ll need to spend some more money on a holder just for the filters). The Lee is also more expensive at ~$95.

The other thing to decide on is hard edged grads -vs soft edged grads. If you’re shooting at less wide focal lengths you basically need hard edged grads. But at wide angles it’ll depend on both how wide, and what you are shooting. For me, I used soft grads when I was shooting my 10-22 on my 7D, but on my full frame cameras I use hard grads exclusively. Others will tell you if the horizon is flat (ocean) use hards, but if it’s busy or complicated, use softs (trees or mountains sticking into the horizon). Generally I’d suggest you try one of each to start if you can afford it, (and make them each 3 stops IMHO) then see which you prefer with where and how you’re shooting.

Here is a table with links to all the filters on both B&H and Adorama. As you all know, I am an affiliate with these sites, but they’re not paying me to do this, I’m simply doing this because GNDs are VERY confusing and I know this would have helped me a few years ago when I was starting with filters:
FILTERS:
    1 stop soft    1 stop hard    2 stop soft    2 stop hard    3 stop soft    3 stop hard
Cokin [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CKZ121L.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/387154-REG/Cokin_CZ121L_Z_PRO​_121L_Graduated_G2.htm​l"]B&H[/URL][/B] n/a [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CKZ121M.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/387153-REG/Cokin_CZ121M_Z_Pro​_121M_Gradual_Gray.htm​l"]B&H[/URL][/B] n/a [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CKZ121S.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/387152-REG/Cokin_CZ121S_Z_Pro​_121S_Graduated_G2.htm​l"]B&H[/URL][/B] n/a
HiTech [B][URL="http://www.bh​photovideo.com/c/produ​ct/100361-REG/Hitech_HT1406_4x5_​Graduated_Neutral_Dens​ity.html"]B&H[/URL][/B​] [B][URL="http://www.bh​photovideo.com/c/produ​ct/100367-REG/Hitech_HT1410_4x5_​Graduated_Neutral_Dens​ity.html"]B&H[/URL][/B​] [B][URL="http://www.bh​photovideo.com/c/produ​ct/100362-REG/Hitech_HT1407_4x5_​Graduated_Neutral_Dens​ity.html/BI/6000/KBID/​6913"]B&H[/URL][/B] [B][URL="http://www.bh​photovideo.com/c/produ​ct/100368-REG/Hitech_HT1411_4x5_​Graduated_Neutral_Dens​ity.html"]B&H[/URL][/B​] [B][URL="http://www.bh​photovideo.com/c/produ​ct/100365-REG/Hitech_HT1408_4x5_​Graduated_Neutral_Dens​ity.html"]B&H[/URL][/B​] [B][URL="http://www.bh​photovideo.com/c/produ​ct/100369-REG/Hitech_HT1412_4x5_​Graduated_Neutral_Dens​ity.html"]B&H[/URL][/B​]
Lee [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LENDG3S.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/87376-REG/LEE_Filters_3NDGS_​4x6_Graduated_Neutral_​Density.html"]B&H[/URL​][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LENDG3H.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/87384-REG/LEE_Filters_3NDGH_​4x6_Graduated_Neutral_​Density.html"]B&H[/URL​][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LENDG6S.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/87380-REG/LEE_Filters_6NDG_S​_4x6_Graduated_Neutral​_Density.html3"]B&H[/U​RL][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LENDG6H.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/87386-REG/LEE_Filters_6NDGH_​4x6_Graduated_Neutral_​Density.html"]B&H[/URL​][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LENDG9S.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://www.bhph​otovideo.com/c/product​/87382-REG/LEE_Filters_9NDG_S​_Graduated_Neutral_Den​sity_ND.html"]B&H[/URL​][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LENDG9H.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]|[B​][URL="http://[URL]www​.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr​oduct/87388-REG/LEE_Filters_9NDGH_​4x6_Graduated_Neutral_​Density.html"]B&H[/URL​][/B]
IMAGE: http://www.benjacobsenphoto.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/gnd-examples/img_4976.jpg
canon 7D w/10-22mm with HiTech 3 stop hard GND

Once you have your filters sorted out, you’ll still need some more parts. First off is the filter holder. This part attaches to the filter threads on your lens. There are two basic filter holders available these days, the cokin and the lee. I’ve owned both and I strongly suggest you go with a Lee holder and rings. The only case for the cokin holder that I find legitimate is the lee holder seems to be hard to find in stock at any given point, so if you’re in a hurry and can only find the cokin, then it’ll certainly work, but if you can either find or wait for the lee, it is a MUCH nicer holder. Now, it’s also worth noting that you do not NEED a holder. You can hand hold your filters in front of your lenses. This actually will give you a better transition from the filtered portion of the image to the non as you won’t hold it perfectly still, but it is VERY inconvenient to hand hold filters for multiple shots… My buddy Shawn Thompson swears by hand holding his filters, and he gets AMAZING results, but I’ve tried it once or twice and it’s just too much of a PITA for me to consider…

Here are links to the basic hardware you'll need:
RINGS & HOLDERS:
        Cokin         Lee         Lee UWA     Century Optics
Filter Holder [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CKBPZ.html"]​Adorama[/URL]|[URL="ht​tp://www.bhphotovideo.​com/c/product/387303-REG/Cokin_CBZ100_Z_PRO​_Filter_Holder_Require​s.html"]B&H[/URL][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LEFK.html"]A​dorama[/URL]|[URL="htt​p://www.bhphotovideo.c​om/c/product/87108-REG/LEE_Filters_FK_Fou​ndation_Kit_Standard_4​x4.html"]B&H[/URL][/B] n/a n/a
82mm ring [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CK82Z.html"]​Adorama[/URL]|[URL="ht​tp://www.bhphotovideo.​com/c/product/387406-REG/Cokin_CZ482_82mm_Z​_Pro_Adapter_Ring.html​"]B&H[/URL][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LEAR82.html"​]Adorama[/URL]|[URL="h​ttp://www.bhphotovideo​.com/c/product/87122-REG/LEE_Filters_AR082_​Adapter_Ring_82mm.html​"]B&H[/URL][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LEWAR82.html​"]Adorama[/URL]|[URL="​http://www.bhphotovide​o.com/c/product/87148-REG/LEE_Filters_WAR082​_Adapter_Ring_82mm.htm​l"]B&H[/URL][/B] [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CYFHR82.html​"]Adorama[/URL][/B]
77mm ring [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CK77Z.html"]​Adorama[/URL]|[URL="ht​tp://www.bhphotovideo.​com/c/product/387404-REG/Cokin_CZ477_77mm_Z​_PRO_Adapter_Ring.html​"]B&H [/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LEAR77.html"]Ad​orama[/URL]|[URL="http​://www.bhphotovideo.co​m/c/product/87121-REG/LEE_Filters_AR077_​Adapter_Ring_77mm.html​"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LEWAR77.html"]A​dorama[/URL]|[URL="htt​p://www.bhphotovideo.c​om/c/product/87147-REG/LEE_Filters_WAR077​_Adapter_Ring_77mm.htm​l"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/CYFHR77.html"]A​dorama[/URL][/B]
72mm ring [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CK72Z.html"]​Adorama[/URL]|[URL="ht​tp://www.bhphotovideo.​com/c/product/387403-REG/Cokin_CZ472_72mm_Z​_Pro_Adapter_Ring.html​"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LEAR72.html"]Ad​orama[/URL]|[URL="http​://www.bhphotovideo.co​m/c/product/87120-REG/LEE_Filters_AR072_​Adapter_Ring_72mm.html​"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LEWAR72.html"]A​dorama[/URL]|[URL="htt​p://www.bhphotovideo.c​om/c/product/87146-REG/LEE_Filters_WAR072​_Adapter_Ring_72mm.htm​l"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/CYFHR72.html"]A​dorama[/URL][/B]
67mm ring [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CK67Z.html"]​Adorama[/URL]|[URL="ht​tp://www.bhphotovideo.​com/c/product/387401-REG/Cokin_CZ467_67mm_Z​_Pro_Adapter_Ring.html​"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LERF75AR67.html​"]Adorama[/URL]|[URL="​http://www.bhphotovide​o.com/c/product/87119-REG/LEE_Filters_AR067_​Adapter_Ring_67mm.html​"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LEWAR67.html"]A​dorama[/URL]|[URL="htt​p://www.bhphotovideo.c​om/c/product/87145-REG/LEE_Filters_WAR067​_Adapter_Ring_67mm.htm​l"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/CYFHR67.html?kb​id=63581"]Adorama[/URL​][/B]
58mm ring [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/CK58Z.html"]​Adorama[/URL]|[URL="ht​tp://www.bhphotovideo.​com/c/product/387399-REG/Cokin_CZ458_58mm_Z​_Pro_Adapter_Ring.html​"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LERF75AR58.html​"]Adorama[/URL]|[URL="​http://www.bhphotovide​o.com/c/product/87117-REG/LEE_Filters_AR058_​Adapter_Ring_58mm.html​"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/LEWAR58.html"]A​dorama[/URL]|[URL="htt​p://www.bhphotovideo.c​om/c/product/87143-REG/LEE_Filters_WAR058​_Adapter_Ring_58mm.htm​l"]B&H[/URL] [URL="http://www.adora​ma.com/CYFHR58.html"]A​dorama[/URL][/B]
these are the accessories I’d recommend to go with your new filter kit:
ACCESSORIES:

               adorama     B&H
Lowe Pro S&F filter pouch [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LPSFFP100.ht​ml"]link [/URL] [URL="http://www.bhpho​tovideo.com/c/product/​736041-REG/Lowepro_LP36259_0A​M_S_F_Filter_Pouch_100​.html"]link[/URL][/B]
Lee Plush Envelope [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LEPE.html"]l​ink [/URL] [URL="http://www.bhpho​tovideo.com/c/product/​210726-REG/LEE_Filters_PFE_Ve​lvet_Filter_Envelope_f​or.html"]link[/URL][/B​]
Lee Multi Filter Pouch [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LEPM.html"]l​ink [/URL] [URL="http://www.bhpho​tovideo.com/c/product/​141612-REG/LEE_Filters_MFP_Mu​lti_Filter_Pouch.html"​]link[/URL][/B]
Adorama slinger 4×6 five filter holder [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/GBSFP46.html​"]link[/URL] [/B] n/a
Lenscoat Medium Hoodie [B][URL="http://www.ad​orama.com/LCHMBK.html"​]link [/URL] [URL="http://www.bhpho​tovideo.com/c/product/​508900-REG/LensCoat_LCHMBK_Me​dium_Hoodie_Lens_Hood.​html"]link[/URL][/B]
IMAGE: http://www.benjacobsenphoto.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/gnd-examples/canon-eos-7dimg_9303.jpg
canon 7D w/10-22mm with HiTech 3 stop hard GND and 2 stop soft

Let me say these images are all 100% straight out of the camera baring the action I run on every image to add my border and site name. These were all shot with a CWB on my 5Dii using large JPEGs as the file type and no color adjustments were made in post. I did it this way, and am clarifying this immediately in this post because a lot of what people want to know about filters is the color casts with different brands. The CWB for the camera was set with the camera on a tripod looking at the marker board that was used as the background for the images. Lighting was NOT perfectly even and there are some weird reflections coming off the marker board because of it’s somewhat “glossy” surface. Regardless, these show a pretty good comparison between the different filters in terms of colors as well as how the transitions look at different focal lengths.
(go to my blog to see the interactive gallery with images of all the different brands of filters) (external link)

here’s the video with the walk through of Lee’s plant in the UK:
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=lMu_m203YaY (external link)

here’s a quick video explanation of filters from my “filters for lenses that can’t take filters” post: (external link)
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Y0s2Q_JlPcE (external link)

edit:
if you can't find the Lee holder or UWA rings (or rings in general, UWAs will work on non wide lenses too obviously), try these:
Century Optic Holder w/77mm UWA Ring (external link)
IMAGE: http://www.adorama.com/images/product/CYDSLFH77.jpg

yes that's a 77mm UWA ring WITH the holder, which might not be ideal, but it's what most of us need...

here's the rings, linked:
58mm (external link) | 62mm (external link) | 67mm (external link) | 72mm (external link) | 77mm (external link) | 82mm (external link)
IMAGE: http://www.adorama.com/images/product/CYFHR82.jpg

those are all UWA rings, so they'll work on any lens.

Looks like these aren't knockoffs of Lee's versions, they're re-branded and you'll actually get a Lee ring and holder with a century sticker on them. And these happen to be in stock at adorama.

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May 19, 2011 15:35 |  #2

Great post Ben. This will be very helpful to many as you (and others) have been helpful to me in the past from your posts.

Of course I'm in a unique position to know that you are aware of the Formatts at 150mm length. I assume for simplicity sake you did not go into that.

If anyone is interested HiTech = Formatt in the UK and available in 100mm x 150mm here:

http://www.formatt.co.​uk ...d-n-d/stills-filters.aspxexternal link


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May 19, 2011 15:38 |  #3

yeah, because you have to order formatts from across the pond and pay more for them, I'm just leaving them off and going with the US spec HiTechs. The price is about the same, ~$63 for the bigger (better) formatt version, but once you add shipping and waiting into the equation (they take a few weeks to get, I've done it) I'd personally spend the money on Lees at that point.

edit: HiTech's from the US are now ~$90 making Lees the best option if you can find them in stock.


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May 19, 2011 15:40 |  #4

This is quite a nice breakdown, Ben; thanks!

A couple of comments:

1. While the pictures are beautiful, it would be nice to see pics of the hardware/setup of the filters and holder themselves, for those of us that haven't seen this stuff in person.
2. To go along with the shots, a description of which type of filter and where the transition was positioned to get the shot might be nice, also.

Edit: Also, can you explain a little more about how a rectangular CPL works? As in how you adjust it for your working angle? I've only ever used the standard, round CPL that you have to rotate to get the correct level of polarization. Thanks again!


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May 19, 2011 15:42 |  #5

Good work, Ben. Sticky imo.


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May 19, 2011 15:52 |  #6

Snydremark wrote in post #12441735 (external link)
1. While the pictures are beautiful, it would be nice to see pics of the hardware/setup of the filters and holder themselves, for those of us that haven't seen this stuff in person.

there are filter pics in the blog post. Because of the plugin I use on WP the descriptions won't show up if I link them. Also, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Y0s2Q_JlPcE (external link)
it's for a bigger kit, and I'm working on a new one "soon", but it shows how most of this stuff works.

here's the best equipment shot I have right now:

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here you can see a cokin soft, then hitech soft, the lee hard:
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2. To go along with the shots, a description of which type of filter and where the transition was positioned to get the shot might be nice, also.

I'll add that where I can, but the issue (for me) with filters is they don't record in the EXIF... :lol: I know what I owned at what point so I can get close to right by the brands, but there's no chance I can tell you what strength they were at this point. Check the example thread though as most people label what they shot with in that.

Edit: Also, can you explain a little more about how a rectangular CPL works? As in how you adjust it for your working angle? I've only ever used the standard, round CPL that you have to rotate to get the correct level of polarization. Thanks again!

it works the same way, it's just square. If you've ever noticed with your round CP, there's one point where it REALLY works. That point with a panel CP is with it perfectly straight up in the holder. If you have to rotate the holder a bit so the GND fits the image better you WILL lose some of your CP "power", but it still works pretty well, and the panel is just SO much more convenient -vs- a round one with other panel filters. If you're using JUST a CP, you lose nothing, if you're using both, that's suck a PITA with a round CP and a panel holder attached to it...


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OK, added notes under the images as to what filters they were taken with. The positions are impossible to KNOW, but you can probably guess where they are (close to the horizon). I'll get some shots of my holder and filters setup on my 5D tonight so you guys can see what the holders etc look like.


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That's awesome, Ben. That video you linked was pretty much exactly what I was looking for! I thought that the filter holder itself was locked in a ridgid, upright position; didn't realize that it would rotate once mounted.


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Snydremark wrote in post #12442012external link
That's awesome, Ben. That video you linked was pretty much exactly what I was looking for! I thought that the filter holder itself was locked in a ridgid, upright position; didn't realize that it would rotate once mounted.

watch this video again:

the holders CAN rotate once attached to the lens. With the X-pro cokin there are thumb screws on the back that will keep if from moving if you want, but I never used them. With the Cokin Z and Lee foundation kit you can spin the holder independently of the ring.


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May 19, 2011 18:34 |  #10

Right, that's what I meant :) That video showed how the system actually works


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May 23, 2011 10:11 |  #12

Great post , i already found the info the hard way , it's good to have them in one place .

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Yes I am a little bit dumb but still need to ask before buying this filters.( maybe my english still is not as good as I think)
Ben ...Thanks for this amazing post about the filters .You stated in your post that once I have sorted out the filters I still need(not really if handheld) some others parts.... here comes my Qs.
You slide the filter into the filter holder AND do you attach this filter+filter holder to the lens? that makes this 2 parts(filter+Filter holder) but I see in your video that you actually have 3 parts.
1-filter (plastic transparent thing)
2-where you put and slide in the filter ( i guess this is the filter holder... or not?)
3 -something that is round that you attach to the lens AND then you attach this to the filter holder+filter (maybe this is the filter holder because you give different ring sizes as if this were to be screw in the lens.
When you buy the filter do they come with that thing (that I call filter holder) where you slide the filter or not..
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ernestoqr wrote in post #12464262external link
Yes I am a little bit dumb but still need to ask before buying this filters.( maybe my english still is not as good as I think)
Ben ...Thanks for this amazing post about the filters .You stated in your post that once I have sorted out the filters I still need(not really if handheld) some others parts.... here comes my Qs.
You slide the filter into the filter holder AND do you attach this filter+filter holder to the lens? that makes this 2 parts(filter+Filter holder) but I see in your video that you actually have 3 parts.
1-filter (plastic transparent thing)
2-where you put and slide in the filter ( i guess this is the filter holder... or not?)
3 -something that is round that you attach to the lens AND then you attach this to the filter holder+filter (maybe this is the filter holder because you give different ring sizes as if this were to be screw in the lens.
When you buy the filter do they come with that thing (that I call filter holder) where you slide the filter or not..
I am very confused?????????

You do need 3 "pieces", a filter, a filter holder, and the adapter ring to clip the filter holder onto the front of your lens.

The adapter ring basically screws onto the filter threads and you attach your filter holder to that ring. The reason it doesn't come as standard with the filter holder is because the size depends on the filter threads on your lens, so if you're using it on a lens with a 77mm filter thread, just search for a 77mm adapter ring for the particular filter holder you are using.


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Anybody know where I can find these items in stock.....the CPL, foundation kit and filters!
B&H and Adorama are back ordered with no shipping date for availability.
I may have to suck it up and pay enormously high prices in Canada for these as it sits right now and I want them for August when I go on vacation.


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