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Old 19th of June 2011 (Sun)   #1
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Default 3rd-Party Flashes: Cheap vs. Expensive

I'm looking to do indoor photography soon and I'm deciding where I should put the money. I've decided to either go cheap or go expensive and 3rd party is obvious choice in terms of affordability or additional features (580EX II vs 58 AF-2).

I could either go with the YN-560 for ~$70.


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I could go with the Mecablitz Metz AF-2 for ~$400.


I'm totally a beginner at flash photography, but it's vital that I invest in the appropriate gear. I shoot at small non-profit events and the Metz isn't exactly in my budget, but I can always save up if it truly is a good flash.
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If you are doing events, then ETTL is probably a valuable tool.
That means more expensive hot shoe flashes.
The manual hot shoe flashes are nice for table top and other situations where the subject is a known distance and will be stationary.

Off camera manual works fine, but on-camera or bracket for events, ETTL is just about a requirement.
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Old 19th of June 2011 (Sun)   #3
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Default Re: 3rd-Party Flashes: Cheap vs. Expensive

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If you are doing events, then ETTL is probably a valuable tool.
That means more expensive hot shoe flashes.
The manual hot shoe flashes are nice for table top and other situations where the subject is a known distance and will be stationary.

Off camera manual works fine, but on-camera or bracket for events, ETTL is just about a requirement.
Do you suggest another flash instead of the Metz flash? I'm thinking it's too expensive for me at the moment and I'll live with another flash that'll do ETTL using during indoor events. (BTW, I have the Canon 60D)
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Old 20th of June 2011 (Mon)   #4
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Default Re: 3rd-Party Flashes: Cheap vs. Expensive

what's your budget?
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Old 20th of June 2011 (Mon)   #5
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Wait for the YN-565 to release if you're on a budget. You need to start with an ETTL hotshoe flash when doing events.

Of course, Canon's flagship 580EXII is the best decision you'll make, or crank up your ISO and live with the 430EXII.
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Old 20th of June 2011 (Mon)   #6
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Default Re: 3rd-Party Flashes: Cheap vs. Expensive

i would go with the 580EXII if it gonna to be used with clients... if you like to make tests and grab the loop on external lighting... i would go with the 580EXII and a YN-XXX as a second light.

i have a YN-460, i am REALLY hoping that i can get bees this week to use it off camera... and the piggy bank keeps saving for the 580EXII, love that strobe!
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Wait for the YN-565 to release if you're on a budget. You need to start with an ETTL hotshoe flash when doing events.

Of course, Canon's flagship 580EXII is the best decision you'll make, or crank up your ISO and live with the 430EXII.
The YN-565 will have ETTL? How does it compare budget/features wise to the Canon flagship?

How can I get one in Canada? Will they be available on eBay?

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i would go with the 580EXII if it gonna to be used with clients... if you like to make tests and grab the loop on external lighting... i would go with the 580EXII and a YN-XXX as a second light.

i have a YN-460, i am REALLY hoping that i can get bees this week to use it off camera... and the piggy bank keeps saving for the 580EXII, love that strobe!
I'm still an amateur... but my services will be used for non-profits so they need to be adequate. As a student, I'm obviously on a budget.

Can the YN-460 be triggered wirelessly with 60D as a slave? How do I use two flashes? Do I get someone/tripod to hold it up or is there a camera bracket for better mobility?

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A 2nd hand 420EX must go for pretty cheap on ebay by now. No manual control but should work fine for you, plus can act as a wireless slave too.
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If you are doing events, then ETTL is probably a valuable tool.
That means more expensive hot shoe flashes.
The manual hot shoe flashes are nice for table top and other situations where the subject is a known distance and will be stationary.

Off camera manual works fine, but on-camera or bracket for events, ETTL is just about a requirement.
I'll agree, get at least one ETTL flash like the Yongnuo
YN 465 or YN467, etc.
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Default Re: 3rd-Party Flashes: Cheap vs. Expensive

http://www.nissindigital.com/en/Di866-1.html

Nissin flash, has full TTL capability, including wireless on both systems. a PC port, a house hold port, and a built in optical slave... Amazing flash for only 200$.

That being said, I shoot full manual for everything using old Nikon flashes and pocket wizards on my 5d II
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http://www.nissindigital.com/en/Di866-1.html

Nissin flash, has full TTL capability, including wireless on both systems. a PC port, a house hold port, and a built in optical slave... Amazing flash for only 200$.

That being said, I shoot full manual for everything using old Nikon flashes and pocket wizards on my 5d II
Oh my goodness! LOOK AT THAT COLOUR LCD SCREEN!



This is so much prettier and intuitive than the YN, Metz or Canon! BUY BUY BUY!
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Vivitar 383 would be another ETTL option, for ~$140
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Can the YN-460 be triggered wirelessly with 60D as a slave? How do I use two flashes? Do I get someone/tripod to hold it up or is there a camera bracket for better mobility?

1.- no, the 60D come with a wireless trigger, but only works with canon speedlights

2.- you can sinchronize the 580-430 -canon- with the camera, and put the YN-XXX in slave mode, it will fire with the light of the other flashes (if you grab two YN-XXX, you will need wireless triggers for better -and outdoors- performance)

3.- you can use the YN-XXX in the hot shoe on the camera, if you get the wireless triggers, you can use a tripod, person, rock, chair, tree... etc etc


i think that for the price and because you are new in lighting, you can use the YNīs, nice performance, cheap, and they look pretty decent in real person
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1.- no, the 60D come with a wireless trigger, but only works with canon speedlights

2.- you can sinchronize the 580-430 -canon- with the camera, and put the YN-XXX in slave mode, it will fire with the light of the other flashes (if you grab two YN-XXX, you will need wireless triggers for better -and outdoors- performance)

3.- you can use the YN-XXX in the hot shoe on the camera, if you get the wireless triggers, you can use a tripod, person, rock, chair, tree... etc etc


i think that for the price and because you are new in lighting, you can use the YNīs, nice performance, cheap, and they look pretty decent in real person
Thank you so much for you in-depth explanation.

I'm just curious why on earth would Canon price the 580ex ii at $500? I would really like to weight my options before handing Canon $500 of my hard-earned money.

Can any flash be the master flash on the camera mount with an external transmitter? I'm looking to maybe get a YN, Nissin or other cheap 3rd party flash that can do ETTL. I'm thinking of also getting fill flashes to be triggered as slaves.

Which inexpensive flash has ETTL and is powerful & reliable?
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no problem =) hope you donīt struggle so much trying to understand me lol

the 580EXII is a sturdy, BIG, heavy, and kick a** strobe, and i think -because i havenīt research a lot on it- that the charge loops to be ready again are REALLY fast, you have more control over it, and it can work with the 430īs as master trigger, and, of course, you have ETTL by canon for canon -i think the batteries got more life from him... something like that-

itīs easy to say that itīs the best flash for a canon because... canon only have two -big- strobes with their brand on it, i have own a 430 before, and i always drool around the 580ex ii

annnnnnnnnnd yes, you have the master with the wireless trigger and the others can be slaves, this works really great in indoor location, BUT outdoors this can be really hard to do, because the sun can overpower the flash and the slaves will do not fire

note: donīt trust too much on me, i am new to external flash...ing =p too, but as you can see, i have been doing my homework



EDIT: maybe you will find these helpful:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0408/04..._efs_flash.asp (bottom)

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...hp?product=314
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