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85L or 85 f/1.8??? what has magic??

 
AlanU
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Jul 22, 2011 02:50 |  #1

Ok if your reading this thread I guess this stirred up your attention.

I've had consistent results with both lenses. I can see how many struggle to decide to pull the trigger on the 85L$$$$

For those of you that want serious background separation there is no substitution to f/1.2 wideopen. Is it worlds apart from the f/1.8 version????? Putting red ring bragging rights aside...you decide.

quick handheld snaps of realworld situation.

consumer f/1.8

IMAGE: http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/alan_u/2011-07-21_00001.jpg


85L wideopen

IMAGE: http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/alan_u/2011-07-21_00002.jpg

I will say both are accurate but for fast paced events there is potential of losing crucial moments if the 85L has to gain back AF on the subject.

I dont hesitate in using the 85L with posed static/slow moving subjects. If I need "the shot" at an event I will use my f/1.8. I would never consider the sigma 85 f/1.4 due to the fact that the internet is littered with a very high percentage of inconsistent AF issues (sigma 50mm included). I just have come to a personal conclusion that I will stick with Canon to land the shot.

Here's another. Excuse the slight minor difference since I swapped lenses while hand holding. The purpose of handholding is to show real life shooting when on the go.

f/1.8

IMAGE: http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/alan_u/2011-07-21_00004.jpg

85L f/1.2

IMAGE: http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/alan_u/2011-07-21_00003.jpg

Since I dont manual focus I rely on Canon's AF. The 85L is probably more ideal for manual shooters but hey......why MF if you dont have to :)

These photos have identical sharpening and xrite passport treatment in LR3. Simple brainless quick minor tweeks from RAW. I do find purple fringing on both lenses. For the price of the 85 f/1.8 I find owning both beneficial for very specific reasons.

If I had to really choose what to keep putting any bragging rights aside I'd say the Canon 85 f/1.8 would deliver pixel peeping IQ with extremely fast AF to land every shot. Why do I keep the 85L then........c'mon gotta keep up with the joneses :) for the POTN bragging rights LOL!! To be honest MFD sucks on the 85L but for some portrait work I just enjoy having the option of f/1.2 sometimes.

For the ones that yearn for an 85L.........dont. Yes its a fantastic lens but I will say the 85 f/1.8 is freaky awesome both IQ and retention of wallet thickness.

The bokeh on the consumer grade f/1.8 is creamy and its almost and 85L in this respect. This is of course my opinion but aren't we all/majority of us pig headed when it comes to being gearheads to justify what we spend on $$$$$$$$ gear.

I'll repeat myself and stress that landing the shot is imperative. The light weight consumer grade f/1.8 version will do this with full confidence and the "client" would careless if it didn't have a red ring around the lens.

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Jul 22, 2011 02:57 |  #2

Interesting perspective here. Thanks for this thread.


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Jul 22, 2011 03:01 |  #3

Love to see the same comparison done on some portraits - both tight and full body shots!


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Jul 22, 2011 03:45 |  #4

Would you do the test side-by-side with the same aperture from f/1.8 and up to f/8, please?


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Jul 22, 2011 03:58 |  #5

Thanks AlanU,
I have the 1.8 and have been lusting after the 85L. Now you`ve given me food for thought!




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Jul 22, 2011 09:03 |  #6

These flower-shots don't show much difference. Do a fullbody portrait wide open on both. That would have you backing a bit. And that f/1.2-power might be more visible.


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Jul 22, 2011 09:55 as a reply to superboy77's post |  #7

Here is an interesting little video form DigitalRev TV..

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=NuHEn4nLhJUexternal link


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Jul 22, 2011 10:06 |  #8

The L is 1.2, Your paying for the faster aperture and just like any other lens that cost is a premium but the 85 1.8 is a great lens and one of Canon's best buys. I think if your a serious portrait photographer the 85L is the dream lens.


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Jul 22, 2011 10:20 |  #9

Last night i really didn't have good subjects to take photos of. I know the plant/flower photos are lame.

Full body photos would probably look different at f/1.2. However I guess when I'm outdoors I would prefer using f/2.8 with my 70-200 and get compresssion out of the lens to create nice "pop".

I guess my point of this thread is to display how similar both lenses are in certain circumstances. If I find time I can try some full body shots. I use to be a wideopen aperture junkie but now I go the safer route and stop down and then shoot wideopen aswell.

Yes theres certain effects f/1.2 can do but you also must make sure you land the shot. This is why I own both. If I had to dump one it would be the 85L.

Some have expressed the colours to be alot better in the L lens. Well spend 100 bucks on an Xrite passport and as part of your post processing regime do the preset treatment in LR3. You will hardly see a difference interms of contrast or colour.

here's a baby toe at f/1.2. this is where I like to use the 85L for baby shots. Baby session I recently did using a 50 f/1.4 and 85L. This is one reason why I keep the 85L for non moving portrait work. I want a 50L but due to the copy variation of focus shift I'd be scared to use that lens. I'm pretty satisfied with my images from the Canon 50 f/1.4 that day.

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Here's another wideopen.

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Jul 22, 2011 10:24 |  #10

Tommydigi wrote in post #12804194external link
The L is 1.2, Your paying for the faster aperture and just like any other lens that cost is a premium but the 85 1.8 is a great lens and one of Canon's best buys. I think if your a serious portrait photographer the 85L is the dream lens.

The 85mm f/1.8 and 135L are two of the sweetest lenses Canon make.


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Jul 22, 2011 10:48 |  #11

the 1.2 has creamier bokeh... less harsh than the 1.8. simple rule is: if you have the money, go for the 1.2 and don´t look back.


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Jul 22, 2011 10:52 |  #12

I want a 50L but due to the copy variation of focus shift I'd be scared to use that lens.

Don't fear the 50 1.2, its an awesome lens for shooting people/kids etc.


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Jul 23, 2011 00:43 |  #13

yogestee wrote in post #12804142external link
Here is an interesting little video form DigitalRev TV..

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=NuHEn4nLhJUexternal link

that was some very interesting information on the focusing speeds that were brought out in this video...

Personally, I don't have the funds to knock around for the 1.2 but the 1.8 has a lot of strong factors over the L that pretty much lead me into not even really caring about the L and that the 1.8 will make me a very happy camper...

I want to add the 1.8 to my bag soon and hope to be able to order it shortly before I'm back up on my feet so I can just jump right into incorporating it into my work.


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Jul 23, 2011 00:52 as a reply to BoneJj's post |  #14

I think 85L is just more much creamer in bokeh quality.


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Jul 23, 2011 03:54 |  #15

calvinjhfeng wrote in post #12807929external link
I think 85L is just more much creamer in bokeh quality.

+1
And I believe 85L is sharper and less CA when we pixel peep;)


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