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Just dropped off both 5D's @ Irvine

 
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Aug 01, 2011 15:48 |  #1

And now I've got separation anxiety. What gives? I've only had them for a week. :lol: I'm just glad I still have my 7D with me. BTW, for anyone who's local-ish and plans to swing by... go early in the morning. By 9:30am... the waiting room was pretty much filled.

Since I had a day off, I decided to swing by the mothership for them to do the mirror fix recall. Unfortunately, the previous owner(s) never sent them in. On the bright side, the mirror will be reinforced in a few days and I now have an official shutter count for both cameras.

It was kind of interesting to note that when I took the cameras to the counter, the rep took them to the back and ran the shutter count on both of them. Came back and told me they're well below the shutter actuation number, and therefore, qualify for the repair/recall. *scratching head* I'm not sure how the mirror affects the shutter and vice versa. Two different mechanical parts, no?

He said had they been over 100,000, the mirror recall would not have been a covered service.


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Aug 01, 2011 17:52 |  #2

Because the mirror flips everytime you take a shot. So there is wear and tear on the mirror assembly.


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Aug 01, 2011 17:54 as a reply to strobe monkey's post |  #3

It drove me a little nuts for the week I was without my 7D when I had to send it in. It wasn't that I HAD to have it, it was just knowing that I DIDN'T have it. :confused:


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Aug 01, 2011 20:16 |  #4

So how did the shutter counts line up with what you had been told by the previous owner(s)?


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Aug 01, 2011 22:00 |  #5

jdpence wrote in post #12860378external link
So how did the shutter counts line up with what you had been told by the previous owner(s)?

Previous owners weren't exactly sure. One didn't mention the shutter count at all. The other mentioned low-ish shutter, which turns out to be true. Canon clocked it at 7,322. And clocked the other at 33,422. Well under the 100k rated.


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Aug 02, 2011 00:13 |  #6

Now you have two 5dc???


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Aug 02, 2011 00:15 |  #7

AlanU wrote in post #12861544external link
Now you have two 5dc???

If one is good, then two is gooder, no? :)


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Aug 02, 2011 00:22 |  #8

jwcdds wrote in post #12861555external link
If one is good, then two is gooder, no? :)

NO 5dmk2 is "gooder" :P

I've taken some of my best work with a 5dc. I'll say the BP511 batteries are absolute garbage for actuation count. I still love the IQ.

Not sure what your eyes are telling you but I just love the consistent IQ I get with the 5dc.


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Aug 02, 2011 00:55 |  #9

AlanU wrote in post #12861582external link
NO 5dmk2 is "gooder" :P

I've taken some of my best work with a 5dc. I'll say the BP511 batteries are absolute garbage for actuation count. I still love the IQ.

Not sure what your eyes are telling you but I just love the consistent IQ I get with the 5dc.

Would I be lynched if I were to say I actually prefer PP'ing with my 7D files (in LR3) as opposed to the 5Dc? :lol: I'm being completely serious.

I don't know if it's because I'm so used to my workflow with the 7D. Or if it's just a testament to the 5Dc's RAW files being... good? I find the 5Dc file harder to tweak if/when need be, harder as in more resistant. Hard to describe.

That said, I do love my lenses on FF. There's obviously a different "look" to the image, but that's because of the more shallow DoF that can be pulled out from the framing. Some might call that improved IQ, I call it difference in perspective.

Don't get me wrong... I'm keeping a 5Dc (at least until I see what Canon pulls out of the rabbit hole come 5D3). I don't regret adding the FF to complement my existing gear at all.

For the past week, I deliberately forced myself to shoot with the 5Dc as much as I could. While I enjoyed the "look" of the images I was capturing... my keeper rates for "sharp" photos of my son was quite a bit lower than when shooting with my 7D. This applied to both outdoor and indoors.

This afternoon, without my 5Dc as it's back at the mothership, shooting with the 7D was just an absolute joy. High keeper rate, the responsiveness of the AF and shutter. The more I use the 5Dc, the more I appreciate the handling/performance of the 7D.

Now if only Canon is gutsy enough to put out a 5D3 w/ 7D ergo/AF. I would understand them handicapping the FPS, that's fine. I'd be all over it like white on rice.

For the 1Ds advocates who want to chime in... I know what you're going to say already. :D


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Aug 02, 2011 01:26 |  #10

I felt thae same way against a 5D2 and 7D ergonomics wise. The slow focusing of the FF is a huge let down. The shutter on my 5D2 had to be pressed deeper and found it contributing to camera shake. The lack of built in flash just for the very odd occasion yoy needed it specially in low lighting when you needed somethong to aid for focusing.


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Aug 02, 2011 01:31 |  #11

Julian have you ever used a 5dmk2? It feels slow compared to a 7d.

I hope canon doesn't follow the trend of making 5dmk3 to look extremely plastic and digital looking files. You can see this going from a 5dc to a 5dmk2 and without a doubt more so in the 7d files.

I'm not too obsessed with the idea of a 5dmk3 until I see how the raw files manipulate. I can do everything I demand (my application) out of my 3 full frames.

Its handy having both crop and full frame. I'm kinda suprised you dont see a substantial difference in dynamic range in the 5dc . You should start analysing the skin tones you get with a 7D vs. 5dc. I've looked at your 7d files (websize) and theres a distinct look a 7d has.

When it comes to snapping photos of my kids I had equal keepers with my 1dmk3 and 5dmk2. The reliable Center focus (lousy outer focus points)is the limitation of owning a 5dc/5dmk2.

Man you love your 7d!! I tried it and I will not consider buying one for my uses after getting spoiled with the super consistant IQ I get from my 5dmk2. skin tones on the 5dc is very nice and have a totally different look. If you have an IPS panel you'll see much more differences between the 7d and 5dc and I'm not talking about dof either.


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Aug 02, 2011 01:38 |  #12

strobe monkey wrote in post #12861779external link
I felt thae same way against a 5D2 and 7D ergonomics wise. The slow focusing of the FF is a huge let down. The shutter on my 5D2 had to be pressed deeper and found it contributing to camera shake. The lack of built in flash just for the very odd occasion yoy needed it specially in low lighting when you needed somethong to aid for focusing.

I cant use onboard flash when I owned crop bodies. Max syc speed of 1/250 even for fill on a sunny day is not even useful. I have either a 430exii or 580exii 100% if key light/bounced or fill is necessary.


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Aug 02, 2011 08:57 |  #13

AlanU wrote in post #12861790 (external link)
Julian have you ever used a 5dmk2? It feels slow compared to a 7d.

I hope canon doesn't follow the trend of making 5dmk3 to look extremely plastic and digital looking files. You can see this going from a 5dc to a 5dmk2 and without a doubt more so in the 7d files.

I'm not too obsessed with the idea of a 5dmk3 until I see how the raw files manipulate. I can do everything I demand (my application) out of my 3 full frames.

Its handy having both crop and full frame. I'm kinda suprised you dont see a substantial difference in dynamic range in the 5dc . You should start analysing the skin tones you get with a 7D vs. 5dc. I've looked at your 7d files (websize) and theres a distinct look a 7d has.

When it comes to snapping photos of my kids I had equal keepers with my 1dmk3 and 5dmk2. The reliable Center focus (lousy outer focus points)is the limitation of owning a 5dc/5dmk2.

Man you love your 7d!! I tried it and I will not consider buying one for my uses after getting spoiled with the super consistant IQ I get from my 5dmk2. skin tones on the 5dc is very nice and have a totally different look. If you have an IPS panel you'll see much more differences between the 7d and 5dc and I'm not talking about dof either.

I'm a creature of habit. I'm just too accustomed to how the 7D works. Never held/used a 5D2 but I'd imagine it's pretty much similar to the 5Dc, granted there's MFA, better LCD, video, and more megapixels.

I don't have an IPS panel so maybe that's why I can't really tell the difference. So I got a quick question/experiment for you, since you brought up skin tones and what not. Here are 4 photos I took. Do the skin tones look different on your monitor? Enough where you can distinguish which images were taken with the 5Dc and which w/ the 7D?

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IMAGE: http://julianchen.smugmug.com/Misc/7D-vs-5D/i-sBhcP4g/0/L/FFvsCrop1-L.jpg

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IMAGE: http://julianchen.smugmug.com/Misc/7D-vs-5D/i-xQGFFhq/0/L/FFvsCrop2-L.jpg

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IMAGE: http://julianchen.smugmug.com/Misc/7D-vs-5D/i-DzCVqcs/0/X2/FFvsCrop3-X2.jpg

4
IMAGE: http://julianchen.smugmug.com/Misc/7D-vs-5D/i-gtfVqVM/0/XL/FFvsCrop4-XL.jpg

These 4 photos were taken within minutes of one another as I did this experiment for fun, primarily for myself to see if I can see/feel that "FF magic". And I realized there's not that much difference *to me*. Don't take this as if I regret picking a 5Dc, since I am keeping it (1 of them) after all. :lol:

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Aug 02, 2011 10:18 as a reply to jwcdds's post |  #14

1 and 3 were from the same camera while 2 and 4 were from the same if i had to guess i would say 1 and 3 were the 7d while 2 and 4 are the 5dc?

but thats just a guess lol

i too love my 7d! but if i could id own a 5d mark 2 but for the $900 price difference im holding off for the mk 3.


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Aug 02, 2011 10:40 |  #15

I guess the 2 middle ones (2 and 3) are from 5Dc


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