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Best EVIL camera at the moment?

 
Shadowblade
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Oct 02, 2011 05:26 |  #1

I'm currently looking to buy a new camera for a friend to take on her honeymoon. She likes taking photos (and posing!) but is hardly likely to carry a DSLR and an arsenal of lenses and other gear around with her; therefore, an EVIL camera and one or two nice lenses (probably a standard zoom and a UWA, since the honeymoon will be in Europe) seems to be the way to go - the Leica M9 is out of the question, unfortunately, due to the lack of autofocus.

I'm not particularly up-to-date on EVILs (and probably won't be, until they bring out a full-frame - or, better yet, a 617 panoramic format version), so am turning to the forum for advice.

Which current EVIL camera would you recommend and why?

Keeping in mind:

  • Must have electronic viewfinder (not just the LCD on the back of camera)
  • Must have RAW output
  • Good lens selection - after all, you're buying into a system, not just a single camera
  • Would be nice to be able to mount an external flash which can be bounced off the ceiling
Thanks in advance.



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Oct 02, 2011 05:47 |  #2

EVIL???


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Oct 02, 2011 05:52 |  #3

twoshadows wrote in post #13193999external link
EVIL???

Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens

Along the lines of the Olympus E-PEN, Panasonic GF and Sony NEX series.




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Oct 02, 2011 05:56 |  #4

The rest of us obviously thought you were talking about Nikon but referred to it as EVIL in your post. :D

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Oct 02, 2011 05:58 as a reply to twoshadows's post |  #5

I'm a bit biased, but both the Panasonic GH2 and G3 are great lightweight but featured cameras with excellent viewfinders, a good bounce hot shoe flash in the Panasonic FL-360 and a nice range of OIS lenses, also with the right adaptors you can use your ef and fd lenses

http://www.dpreview.co​m/reviews/PanasonicDMC​GH2/external link

http://www.dpreview.co​m/reviews/panasonicdmc​g3/external link


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Oct 02, 2011 06:03 |  #6

Shadowblade wrote in post #13194010external link
Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens

Along the lines of the Olympus E-PEN, Panasonic GF and Sony NEX series.

Ah yes, thank you :) .


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Oct 02, 2011 07:21 |  #7

Shadowblade wrote in post #13194010external link
Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens

Learn something new everyday :)


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Oct 02, 2011 07:39 |  #8

I just got the Sony NEX-5N with their optional electronic VF. I am very impressed so far. I want to use it primarily with legacy lenses, like old Nikon Ai and AIs, Canon FD and Voigtlaender RF lenses. High ISO images are very clean and I love the manual focus support. The EVF is probably the best I have ever seen and used.




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Oct 02, 2011 07:59 |  #9

5Dmaniac wrote in post #13194147external link
I just got the Sony NEX-5N with their optional electronic VF. I am very impressed so far. I want to use it primarily with legacy lenses, like old Nikon Ai and AIs, Canon FD and Voigtlaender RF lenses. High ISO images are very clean and I love the manual focus support. The EVF is probably the best I have ever seen and used.

The NEX-7 looks pretty good - unfortunately, it won't be out in time...

Sony's NEX cameras have a very limited lens selection, though...




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Oct 02, 2011 10:59 |  #10

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Oct 02, 2011 16:58 |  #11

Only a few lenses available, no UWA and a 2.7x crop factor?




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Oct 02, 2011 17:18 |  #12

lannes wrote in post #13194024external link
I'm a bit biased, but both the Panasonic GH2 and G3 are great lightweight but featured cameras with excellent viewfinders, a good bounce hot shoe flash in the Panasonic FL-360 and a nice range of OIS lenses, also with the right adaptors you can use your ef and fd lenses

http://www.dpreview.co​m/reviews/PanasonicDMC​GH2/external link

http://www.dpreview.co​m/reviews/panasonicdmc​g3/external link

I'm looking closely at the G3, together with the 7-14mm f/4 lens (equivalent angle of view and depth of field as 14-28mm f/8 on full-frame).

What's it like with regards to ergonomics? I presume there are two control wheels, e.g. for aperture and exposure compensation in AV mode. What about rapid adjustment of ISO, white balance, etc.? Control of focus point while looking through the viewfinder? (The touchscreen AF in live view mode can only be a good thing).




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Oct 02, 2011 19:19 |  #13

Shadowblade wrote in post #13195845 (external link)
I'm looking closely at the G3, together with the 7-14mm f/4 lens (equivalent angle of view and depth of field as 14-28mm f/8 on full-frame).

What's it like with regards to ergonomics? I presume there are two control wheels, e.g. for aperture and exposure compensation in AV mode. What about rapid adjustment of ISO, white balance, etc.? Control of focus point while looking through the viewfinder? (The touchscreen AF in live view mode can only be a good thing).

I've got the 7-14mm, you have to watch the perspective at 7mm, although this can be corrected in pp.

I found the GH2 to be quite small and the G3 is even smaller, so I'm using a hand strap.

The GH2 has one control wheel, in AV you rotate it to change the apeture and press the wheel in to select exposure compensation and rotate it to select -/+ 5 stops

iso,and wb are one button on the control pad, so is flash exposure compensation, there are three customisable function buttons and a quick menu button etc.

you can also select all the settings via the touch pad

what you see on the lcd is what you see in the viewfinder as well

The 4 af modes, single spot (which is expandable), multi-focus points, follow focus and face recognition are selectable via a twist nob, then you can use the touch screen to select the focus point and move it around/enlarge it, select the multi-focus points groups, select the follow focus subject (locks onto the subject so when you recompose it is still focusing on original subject, also good for tracking), there is even a touch shutter, just touch the screen on the subject you want to focus on and it will take a picture with that subject in focus (great for video to change focus). The face recognition and follow focus modes can enabled by the shutter button half press.

What I really like is I can see the histogram in the viewfinder or on the lcd before the shot is taken unlike normal DSLR

Bottom line it has a better interface than the 5dm2

here is the back of the camera showing the touch screen in the different modes (note the histogram)

IMAGE: http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/_MG_4164.jpg
IMAGE: http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/_MG_4167.jpg

the size comparion
IMAGE: http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/lannes2007/IMG_0266.jpg

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Oct 02, 2011 23:20 |  #14

Olympus EP3 with 7-14 f/4 VF-2 14-150,100-300


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Oct 02, 2011 23:24 |  #15

Simonthephotoman wrote in post #13197102external link
Olympus EP3 with 7-14 f/4 VF-2 14-150,100-300

+1.


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