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CanonGrl01
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Feb 04, 2012 21:38 |  #1

I went to one basketball game and it went GREAT. So I started going to more.

Perhaps I had beginners luck, but man have my photos been coming out $h!tty lately!!!

It's like half of the shot is always dark, either the left or the right. I'll post some pics in a bit, I just needed to vent.


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Feb 04, 2012 21:40 |  #2

Its cool
I sux too
getting more keepers
maybe 1/2
still not pro quality


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Feb 04, 2012 22:44 |  #3

Basketball is a tough season :) I hate working in those low light high school gyms.


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C_Heath31
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Feb 04, 2012 23:07 |  #4

yep, they suck but Ive gotten alot better. Keep doin it.


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Feb 04, 2012 23:10 |  #5

Fluorescent light cycling ?



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Feb 05, 2012 04:35 |  #6

CanonGrl01 wrote in post #13827105 (external link)
I just needed to vent.

Some people vent. Others take pictures.

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Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


Focal Length: 70.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.0025 s (1/400)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB


IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
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Focal Length: 70.0mm
Aperture: f/3.2
Exposure Time: 0.0020 s (1/500)
ISO equiv: 3200
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

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Focal Length: 86.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.0025 s (1/400)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB


All images from a Canon Digital Rebel T2i and a Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX II non-stabilized lens. (external link) Available light, no flash. Exposures were checked at the baseline with incident readings from a light meter. (external link) The resulting images were then cleaned up with Imagenomic Noiseware software. (external link)

Techniques and equipment have worked at a variety of gyms.



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Feb 05, 2012 06:12 |  #7

CanonGrl01 wrote in post #13827105external link
I went to one basketball game and it went GREAT. So I started going to more.

Perhaps I had beginners luck, but man have my photos been coming out $h!tty lately!!!

It's like half of the shot is always dark, either the left or the right. I'll post some pics in a bit, I just needed to vent.

Nothing wrong with venting a bit, but let's use the problems constructively. Post some shots with the settings and we'll see if the group can give you some suggestions.

Not all ambient light is created equal so don't assume that you will be able to get identical image quality out of different gyms.

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Feb 05, 2012 07:45 |  #8

how are these?
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Feb 05, 2012 08:10 |  #9

Here are two shots only 100 milliseconds apart. The second shot is 2/3 stop darker than the first shot. This is caused by the lights flickering at 60Hz with the AC power. It's common with vapor discharge lamps and can give you fits for exposure and color cast.

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Feb 05, 2012 08:13 |  #10

If I push that second shot +.60 in exposure, the whites on the jersey reach the same 98-98-98 that they are at in the first shot.

I admit looking at the first pair that side by side the differences are a bit subtle, but when I draw the mouse over the tones in LR there is a 2/3 stop difference. The back wall is the same in both shots, because the flicker is only changed in the light that is over the athletes. Look at the depth of the red on the defender's jersey and not how dark it is in the original version of the second shot.

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Feb 05, 2012 09:45 |  #11

DC Fan wrote in post #13828219external link
Some people vent. Others take pictures.

Clearly I did take pictures, otherwise I wouldn't have a reason to vent. Way to come off like a snob though, great job!


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Feb 05, 2012 09:57 |  #12

CanonGrl01 wrote in post #13828991external link
Clearly I did take pictures, otherwise I wouldn't have a reason to vent. Way to come off like a snob though, great job!

Don't be offended. Even though it might not be your fault that a thread grows quickly before you get your shots up, if you start out the thread without sample photos or a link to view them, someone will always post a comment of that nature.


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Digitizing in a snap reflective glory
That will forever tell our imaged story.

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Feb 05, 2012 10:01 |  #13

Which takes me to a password protected site that I would have to register for. No thanks.


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Feb 05, 2012 11:40 |  #14

CanonGrl01 wrote in post #13828991external link
Clearly I did take pictures, otherwise I wouldn't have a reason to vent. Way to come off like a snob though, great job!

Maybe post some so we can get an idea of how to help.....


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Feb 05, 2012 12:02 |  #15

CanonGrl01 wrote in post #13828991external link
Clearly I did take pictures, otherwise I wouldn't have a reason to vent. Way to come off like a snob though, great job!

No snobbery, just an observation from a person who has, through experience, already figured out how to get useful basketball images in many circumstances - more than 100 games at 25 gyms in seven cities and towns this season alone.

A negative reaction to every adverse condition would mean no pictures. So you don't get mad, you get effective - learning how to adjust to each situation and get the best images available. Over time, you write an instruction book in your head and gather the equipment and knowledge to deal with the real world.

In your OP, you said you were a "beginner." Lack of experience doesn't help when you're in situations you've never encountered before. That's why my reply included lessons - examples of useful pictures with settings, and a list of equipment and technique on using that equipment.

Progress can be made if there's a will to learn.




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