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Old 17th of February 2012 (Fri)   #61
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If you don't like it don't buy it, why bother wasting any energy complaining?
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Old 17th of February 2012 (Fri)   #62
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Don't mind either way since I'm unlikely to buy the G1X anyway.... I think

I can understand that the cost of producing a manual can be rather high so an online or disc copy will be fine. A printed quick guide would suffice I imagine.
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Old 17th of February 2012 (Fri)   #63
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I,ve just received my G1x, the quick start up guide was all I needed to get going. Trolling through the manual off the CD, I read it for about 10 mins then thought I would work out the menus and settings by just using the camera. Lots to learn, too many options at the moment so starting from basics.
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Old 17th of February 2012 (Fri)   #64
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If you don't like it don't buy it, why bother wasting any energy complaining?
.. because this is the canon G forum and this forum welcomes positive and negative comments about the G system. I dont see nothing wrong with that.
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I,ve just received my G1x, the quick start up guide was all I needed to get going. Trolling through the manual off the CD, I read it for about 10 mins then thought I would work out the menus and settings by just using the camera. Lots to learn, too many options at the moment so starting from basics.
Wow, that's fast. BH is still only accepting pre-order. Can't wait to hear your comments.
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Old 18th of February 2012 (Sat)   #66
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Okay, how about this for logic. If you're buying a digital camera, it stands to reason that you WILL have a computer, so you can actually view/process/print the pickies you've taken. No problems so far.
Next, try to think of someone with a computer, that doesn't have a printer. I've racked my brain, but I can't come up with a single person. Still no problems that I can see.
Next. How many pages of the manual do you actually ever read? Personally, it would be lucky if it were 10. How much will it cost you to print those 10 pages? A few cents at most.
Next. Which is easier, shuffling through the whole 200 odd pages of a manual for the info you require, or flicking through the 10 relevant pages you have printed? I know which is easier for me.
I suggest you take a good look at yourself, and see if discover that you might just be over reacting a smidge, before ranting on an internet forum.
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Man, my second digital camera was an Olympus Zoom-3000 and it had a 200-page manual that I had to print out as well.

It's ok man, give me the camera and I'll print your next camera's manual out for you.
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Okay, how about this for logic. If you're buying a digital camera, it stands to reason that you WILL have a computer, so you can actually view/process/print the pickies you've taken. No problems so far.
Next, try to think of someone with a computer, that doesn't have a printer. I've racked my brain, but I can't come up with a single person. Still no problems that I can see.
Next. How many pages of the manual do you actually ever read? Personally, it would be lucky if it were 10. How much will it cost you to print those 10 pages? A few cents at most.
Next. Which is easier, shuffling through the whole 200 odd pages of a manual for the info you require, or flicking through the 10 relevant pages you have printed? I know which is easier for me.
I suggest you take a good look at yourself, and see if discover that you might just be over reacting a smidge, before ranting on an internet forum.
Exactly, just after playing around with the controls in what is my first G camera I have already eliminated about 25% of the manual straight away. There is a couple of chapters on scene modes special effects which I probably not use so much, then we have pages non camera related and accessories etc. Probably will need about 50 pages to reference so will probably put these on my iPhone.
So I would say if you already have a canon SLR or a G camera you will quickly eliminate the pages to reference, the only time you will need a full manual if this is your very first digital camera and you are complete novice, if this is the case for the original poster then perhaps the thread title still stands.
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Okay, how about this for logic. If you're buying a digital camera, it stands to reason that you WILL have a computer, so you can actually view/process/print the pickies you've taken. No problems so far.
Next, try to think of someone with a computer, that doesn't have a printer. I've racked my brain, but I can't come up with a single person. Still no problems that I can see.
Next. How many pages of the manual do you actually ever read? Personally, it would be lucky if it were 10. How much will it cost you to print those 10 pages? A few cents at most.
Next. Which is easier, shuffling through the whole 200 odd pages of a manual for the info you require, or flicking through the 10 relevant pages you have printed? I know which is easier for me.
I suggest you take a good look at yourself, and see if discover that you might just be over reacting a smidge, before ranting on an internet forum.

I read every single page of manual for my Olympus. I read pretty close to every page of the manuals for my Canon S3IS, xSI, 40D, and for the 5d MarkII I actually bought David Bursch's 400+ page 5d MkII guide for $30 to read in conjunction with the supplied manual as well as several hundred posts and links to websites all garnering information about the camera. Not only is there good information in each of those manuals relating solely to common photography in general, but also how the camera's functionality and results individually affect what your shots will come out like in relation to the camera itself. If I take a shot at 1/200 sec, f/4, ISO1600, 5200k WB on each of the aforementioned cameras, they are all going to have different characteristics based on each of the used cameras.

If I picked up a new G1X, after having used all the cameras I've used in the past, I'd certainly print the manual out, even if it meant emailing it to kinko's. 250 pages printed printed at $0.07 cents a copy is $17.50 - hardly a drop considering the price of the camera, and the price of the memory cards you'll buy, and the case you'll put it in, etc...

If I were going to rant about anything Canon does that is a "ripoff" it would be the fact that you have to spend $25-$60 to get a freaking lens hood for every lens you get from them!

I'm not trying to be bitchy or anything, just saying, that's the way everyone is going, especially with revisions, etc... that happen to manuals. I'd bitch about the price of the camera before the cost of having to print a copy of the manual. What is that thing, $800? DSLR kit territory.

Sorry, didn't mean to touch a nerve.
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my iPad is a rip off, no manual either.
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Clever them Ipads....the manual is inside it!
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.. because this is the canon G forum and this forum welcomes positive and negative comments about the G system. I dont see nothing wrong with that.
Not that its wrong but why waste the time, if you feel its a ripoff just look elsewhere, there are lots of camera options. Also is this thing even out yet?
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Not that its wrong but why waste the time, if you feel its a ripoff just look elsewhere, there are lots of camera options. Also is this thing even out yet?
Yes, some folks have managed to get their hands on the new model. I believe some purchased from overseas sources.

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Its looks kinda cool and all but I wonder how this thing compares to a rebel with a kit lens in size and image quality. I would think a rebel with a small prime would be a better choice but I guess there is a market for such a camera.
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Its looks kinda cool and all but I wonder how this thing compares to a rebel with a kit lens in size and image quality. I would think a rebel with a small prime would be a better choice but I guess there is a market for such a camera.
This link shows the G1 X next to a T3i with the 18-55mm kit lens.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#257,99.23,ha,t

This link will let you compare image quality for the G1 X, T3i, and two other cameras of your choice. It shows JPEGs, and you can view RAW images on the next page in the preview series.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canong1x/page6.asp

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