Info Canon Eos 5D vs Nikon D200

[tiagosays]

hello to you all

this is a canon foum but i thing we should open the discution to make some reviews bettween cameras from diferent manufactures, because is necessary to improve canon features.

Can you say what you thing about these two cameras? the pros and cons of them.
what is the best camera?
the best price/features?
your choise and why?

lens? compatibility?
the camera with more options for future ?

thanks

[Tancor]

Unfortunately, until its released (the D200 I mean) - it will be impossible to make a judgement between the two. Besides, it might be more fair to compare it to the 20D rather then the 5D (and even that isn't terribly fair as the 20D is > 1yr old). IMHO, it's kind of hard to compare a FF camera to a crop camera - the differences there are already astounding due to the way lenses act on the two different cameras - and some people prefer the crop and "longer" equivilant lenses, and some people prefer wide, true length lenses.

The earliest hands on we might even see in terms of a review is sometime this week, and it still might not be a production camera yet, and that's assuming that someone who writes good balanced reviews goes to that event in the UK and gets some real hands on time with the D200 (unlikely).

JMHO

-Tony

[Longwatcher]

Can you say what you think about these two cameras? the pros and cons of them.

Both are good cameras (or at least the D200 may be when it people can get it).

5D is full frame with more pixels and better buffer.
D200 is 1.5x with a faster FPS and a built in flash. Oh and it has a better battery indicator, which is the only think I wish Canon would incorporate.

That's about it for the facts. research indicates the 5D has better noise reduction at high ISO, while the D200 may produce a better jpeg out of the camera. I usually shoot RAW, so the jpeg doesn't matter to me much.

what is the best camera?
Canon 1DsMkII...
oh you mean between 5D and D200. Depends on what you need a camera to do, I lean towards 5D for portraits which is what I shoot most of. As to D200 it's real Canon competition will be the replacement for the 20D (if it is released as expected Feb/Mar)

the best price/features?
Toss up, depends on what you need the camera to do. The D200 (when it is available) has some great features if those meet your needs, but the 5D's main feature is that it is a relatively low cost 35mm format FF camera in a small body.

your choise and why?
5D for the image quality and full frame (but it would be a step down for me from the 1DsMkII I have).

lens?
Mixed as to lenses, except Canon has better telephoto and tilt-shift and with a FF camera you can actually use a Fisheye as intended.

compatibility?
Nikon lenses will fit a Canon EF mount with an adapter, it won't work the other way around. Think about it.

the camera with more options for future ?
Canon system because they have already adopted FF and produce more of their equipment in house.

Having re-read this, I appear a bit grumpier then normal. So I will re-imphasis both are great cameras and I recommend the following link from DP Review to do your own comparison.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond200/page12.asp

Just my opinion,

[Tancor]

I unfortunately, don't want to speculate yet. What appears good on screen now for feature set may be different in a production camera - on dpreview it did specify it was a pre-production camera so some things might have changed between pre production and production.

I wouldn't want to count the chickens before their hatched as the saying goes. Nikon people will probably say the D200 is better, canon people will say the canon product is better. I'd just rather wait and see what it can do in peoples hands and what features are truely there before I judge.

If I were forced with gun to head to judge, I'd say pull the trigger as I'm not going to guess until I've really seen it.

[Jon]

Between the Canon EOS 5D and the Nikon D200? One's available and the other isn't. Any comparison between them at this point will be between a real camera and a press release. And you can't take pictures with a press release, so the advantage has to be to the Canon. The D200, based on its specs, is aimed more at the 20D than the 5D. Nikon doesn't have a 5D-equivalent, or any indication it's going to produce one. So the fairer comparison would be with the 20D, or the 20D replacement that's widely expected to be released in February.

[tiagosays]

Originally Posted by Tancor

Unfortunately, until its released (the D200 I mean) - it will be impossible to make a judgement between the two. Besides, it might be more fair to compare it to the 20D rather then the 5D (and even that isn't terribly fair as the 20D is > 1yr old). IMHO, it's kind of hard to compare a FF camera to a crop camera - the differences there are already astounding due to the way lenses act on the two different cameras - and some people prefer the crop and "longer" equivilant lenses, and some people prefer wide, true length lenses.

The earliest hands on we might even see in terms of a review is sometime this week, and it still might not be a production camera yet, and that's assuming that someone who writes good balanced reviews goes to that event in the UK and gets some real hands on time with the D200 (unlikely).

JMHO

-Tony

FF camera and a crop camera ?? where i can see the diference? some site explaining the specs. lenses, technical issues.


the way lenses act on the two different cameras - and some people prefer the crop and "longer" equivilant lenses, and some people prefer wide, true length lenses

also where i can find some documentation or site explaining and talking about this?
the main diferences, examples, photos



that event in the UK and gets some real hands on time with the D200 (unlikely).
what event is this one? can you post the name of the event?

whem you see some info about hands on on the D200 please post the site ok

thanks

[Jon]

Originally Posted by tiagosays

FF camera and a crop camera ?? where i can see the diference? some site explaining the specs. lenses, technical issues.


the way lenses act on the two different cameras - and some people prefer the crop and "longer" equivilant lenses, and some people prefer wide, true length lenses

also where i can find some documentation or site explaining and talking about this?
the main diferences, examples, photos



that event in the UK and gets some real hands on time with the D200 (unlikely).
what event is this one? can you post the name of the event?

whem you see some info about hands on on the D200 please post the site ok

thanks

The difference between full-frame and crop? Same as the difference between a 5D and a 20D,or the 1Ds II and the 3050D as far as effect on the lenses goes. The D200's going to be, like every other Nikon DSLR, a 1.5x crop sensor. The 1.6x crop of the Canon xxD/xxxD line is close enough that that will show you the difference.

Don't expect to get "real hands-on time" with a D200 at a camera show or trade fair. You'll be just one of hundreds of others with the same goal.

As for "hands on" reviews - have you tried Googling for "D200 Nikon Review"? It's far from clear when the reviewers have actually had their hands on a straight production model, not a pre-production or prototype (or a spec sheet they've drooled over so much it's turned into papier mache in the shape of the camera).

[Tancor]

Originally Posted by tiagosays

FF camera and a crop camera ?? where i can see the diference? some site explaining the specs. lenses, technical issues.

There is a ton of discussion here on PoTN on the differences between FF and crop. Crop cameras have sensors smaller then a standard 35mm film frame - when you look at the specs of cameras, like the 20d at a 1.6x crop or the D200 which I assume is a 1.5x ratio (which as I recall is common on the nikon design), where as the 5D, 1Ds and 1DsMkII are all full frame cameras.

What does this mean? This means that with a 28mm lens on a FF camera, it is capturing at the 28mm length exactly what a single frame of 35mm film would capture. On a crop camera, with a 28mm lens, it will capture a smaller area giving the appearance of a longer lens being used, the crop factor gives you a number to figure out what the equivilant lens length is (ie: on the 20D @1.6 crop factor, a 28mm lens will cause an image to be recorded that is equivilant to a 44.8mm lens on a full frame camera.)

I suggest you look at the links here:

http://www.photography-on-the.net/fo...ht=crop+factor

for more discussion on the cropping factor.

Originally Posted by tiagosays

the way lenses act on the two different cameras - and some people prefer the crop and "longer" equivilant lenses, and some people prefer wide, true length lenses

also where i can find some documentation or site explaining and talking about this?
the main diferences, examples, photos

See above.

Originally Posted by tiagosays

that event in the UK and gets some real hands on time with the D200 (unlikely).
what event is this one? can you post the name of the event?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0511/05...utionsexpo.asp

That is brief announcement of the event.

Originally Posted by tiagosays

whem you see some info about hands on on the D200 please post the site ok

thanks

There are a few hands on previews, but so far the previews appear to be pre-production cameras (see dpreview, or a google search on d200 review or d200 preview)

-Tony

[Mark_Cohran]

I can't really see the utility of comparing specific Nikon and Canon cameras in a Canon forum. There may be some value in comparing general capabilities, but only if the information was somehow fed back to Nikon and Canon - which I don't believe will occur with this particular thread.

I guess I just don't understand the need to compare Nikon and Canon specific cameras unless one is just starting out in photography and changing systems. Most people have considerable investment in lenses, flashes and other accessories and aren't going to change systems just because one manufacturer leapfrogs the other.

[puttick]

I like apples and oranges. Which is best? Hard to say. Sometimes I prefer a Kiwi fruit.

[liza]

Here's a chart that compares the new Nikon to the Canon 5D, Canon 20D, and Nikon D100. I thought it was rather interesting. Of course, Canon will wait for a bit while everyone praises Nikon's new offering and then will promptly give Nikon a swift kick in the groin by announcing an incredible new product or two in the spring at PMA. Seems like it always happens that way.

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/re.../dslr_EN3.html

[Andy_T]

Originally Posted by mcohran

I can't really see the utility of comparing specific Nikon and Canon cameras in a Canon forum.

I see that different. As the question 'which camera to get' gets asked very often, I think it is an important question to ask ... for the sake of those in the decision phase.

Although, in this case, the comparison does not make much sense, as they are two very different beasts, as Longwatcher already pointed out... how do you compare a Porsche 911 to a Hummer? If you want good track times, the 911 is going to win, if you need it for off-road adventures, you might want the Hummer...

It makes more sense to compare the D200 to the 20D ... in about 4 months from now . Because, if you need the camera now, it's the 20D for you.

If you can wait, you might want to compare the 200D to the 30D or whatever Canons successor model will be called ... that will be at least presented by that time.

Best regards,
Andy